General Senate Judiciary Committee Report on Jan 6th

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Filthy

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Shinkicker said:
What ceremony? Lol. There was no ceremony. Pence was using that as a figure of speech because he has no power in the process.

The Electoral Count Act governs the process of electoral votes being submitted to Congress, Congress counting and certifying those votes, and declaring the winning president. Congress holds a joint session to count and certify the electoral votes. This session starts on Jan 6 at 1 pm. The Vice President sits at the helm to hear objections and direct protocols but can’t participate in the objections or voting on objections. He can reject some objections though. But he can’t say votes don’t count. That’s why he said his role was ceremonial. If this process is not complete then Biden can not take office. Trump and Pence are still out on Jan 20 but Pelosi would have been President until Congress certified the votes and declared a President.
The Electoral Count Act outlines rules and regulations that make it almost impossible for Congress not to declare a winner before Jan 20 though.

They were in session when the riots started and had to stop the process, just like the Kavanaugh hearings. They had to come back and reconvene later, just like the Kavanaugh hearings. Except one interrupted the appointment of a judge and the other interrupted the declaration of the new President of the United States.

I do agree one was more meaningful though. I will give you that.
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you still don't understand the Electoral Count Act.

Amazing. If they never hold the ceremony, Biden has his inauguration on schedule.
If the ceremony starts and is stopped indefinitely, Biden has his inauguration on schedule.

"shall govern".
 
Shinkicker

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Filthy said:
you still don't understand the Electoral Count Act.

Amazing. If they never hold the ceremony, Biden has his inauguration on schedule.
If the ceremony starts and is stopped indefinitely, Biden has his inauguration on schedule.

"shall govern".
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It’s not a ceremony. It’s a joint session where Congress officially counts electoral votes and declares a winner. They have protocols where they can actually throw votes out. It would be complicated but they can. They actually debated and voted on throwing out Arizona and Pennsylvania but it didn’t happen. All the Electoral Count Act does is literally govern this process.

The protocol of your Electoral Count Act states that if this process is not completed:

Failure to complete process

By imposing strict limits on procedures, debate, and recesses, the Electoral Count Act is designed to help Congress achieve an election result before the term of the outgoing president ends. Nevertheless, if no new president (or vice president) has been elected by that time, the Twentieth Amendment and the Presidental Succession Act would mean
the Speaker of the House would be sworn in as acting President .
Notably, Section 1 of the amendment makes clear that the terms of the outgoing president and vice president shall end on January 20 at noon; they cannot be extended except by constitutional amendment.

One commentator has described situations in which ambiguities under the Electoral Count Act could cause the two houses to disagree about whether the electoral count has been completed or not,  or to disagree about whether a new president has been chosen.The situations described could potentially leave matters unclear about who is president on January 20, including simultaneous claims from different individuals to the presidency.
 
Filthy

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Shinkicker said:
It’s not a ceremony. It’s a joint session where Congress officially counts electoral votes and declares a winner. They have protocols where they can actually throw votes out. It would be complicated but they can. They actually debated and voted on throwing out Arizona and Pennsylvania but it didn’t happen. All the Electoral Count Act does is literally govern this process.

The protocol of your Electoral Count Act states that if this process is not completed:

Failure to complete process

By imposing strict limits on procedures, debate, and recesses, the Electoral Count Act is designed to help Congress achieve an election result before the term of the outgoing president ends. Nevertheless, if no new president (or vice president) has been elected by that time, the Twentieth Amendment and the Presidental Succession Act would mean
the Speaker of the House would be sworn in as acting President .
Notably, Section 1 of the amendment makes clear that the terms of the outgoing president and vice president shall end on January 20 at noon; they cannot be extended except by constitutional amendment.

One commentator has described situations in which ambiguities under the Electoral Count Act could cause the two houses to disagree about whether the electoral count has been completed or not,  or to disagree about whether a new president has been chosen.The situations described could potentially leave matters unclear about who is president on January 20, including simultaneous claims from different individuals to the presidency.
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lol.

a POTUS had been elected. The situation they're talking about is if a majority of both houses voted to decertify the electoral votes from a state.

FFS.

"shall govern"
 
Shinkicker

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Filthy said:
lol.

a POTUS had been elected. The situation they're talking about is if a majority of both houses voted to decertify the electoral votes from a state.

FFS.

"shall govern"
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Shall govern the way Congress counts the damn electoral votes, ffs.
 
Filthy

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Shinkicker said:
Shall govern the way Congress counts the damn electoral votes, ffs.
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no. jeebus.

the electoral certification of the states "shall govern" unless a majority of the House and Senate vote to decertify or not accept the results of a state. That's in case of actual electoral fraud.
 
Shinkicker

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Filthy said:
no. jeebus.

the electoral certification of the states "shall govern" unless a majority of the House and Senate vote to decertify or not accept the results of a state. That's in case of actual electoral fraud.
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Can you find me a piece of legislation that’s says that?

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In 1876, the trajectory of post-Civil War Reconstruction hinged on the disputed presidental election results between Rutherford Hayes and Samuel Tilden. Hayes prevailed, but the constitutional crisis prompted lawmakers to spend the next decade devising a law, the 1887 ECA , that outlined Congress’ procedures for election certification.


No doubt, the ECA is unclear and outdated. The Campaign Legal Center called the ECA “rife with gaps and ambiguities” and outlined just a handful of its weaknesses: making it exceptionally easy for individual members of Congress to derail election results, providing no mechanism for resolving disputes if Congress deadlocks and permitting states to resolve election contests without guidance.


www.democracydocket.com

After Election Day: The Basics of Election Certification

Read the latest Explainer.
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No shame in not understanding it. It is ambiguous.
 
John Lee Pettimore

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Look at the shills pretending like it doesn't matter and is completely irrelevant that the fucking President was full-throated trying to get this done so that he could cancel the peaceful transfer of power and remain in office against the will of the people.

And then the vast majority of the Republican Party backed him in that for the next 18 months and counting, while they have spent that time filling state-level posts with anti-democracy fuckwits who WILL simply refuse to certify any result that is unfavourable to them.

And apparently none of that is serious, or even matters at all. Not even a little bit.

Absolutely idiotic.

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John Lee Pettimore

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And all these right wing guys still desperately trying to pretend that Jan 6 was a one-off event with no continuing repercussions. As if having one of two parties openly quit participating in your democracy is no big deal at all, and won't inevitably have tragic and violent consequences down the line. Think Jan 6 was the end of the political violence, because democracy is permanent and indestructible? Watch what happens now that the guardrail of "The President accepts the result of the election" has been smashed.

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John Lee Pettimore said:
And all these right wing guys still desperately trying to pretend that Jan 6 was a one-off event with no continuing repercussions. As if having one of two parties openly quit participating in your democracy is no big deal at all, and won't inevitably have tragic and violent consequences down the line. Think Jan 6 was the end of the political violence, because democracy is permanent and indestructible? Watch what happens now that the guardrail of "The President accepts the result of the election" has been smashed.

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thehill.com

Texas GOP approves measure declaring Biden ‘was not legitimately elected’

The Texas Republican Party adopted a new platform declaring that the 2020 election violated the Constitution and President Biden “was not legitimately elected.” The Texas GOP adopted the 40-page pl…
thehill.com
 
Shinkicker

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BeardOfKnowledge said:
It was published on January 5th, 2021. What a difference a day makes.
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I’m not sure what you are talking about.

Pence isn’t Congress.

The next President, in this case Biden, doesn’t take office until Congress counts and certifies the electoral votes. They do this in a joint session which was interrupted by the riots.

And Congress can object to electoral votes. If the objection is accepted then they can vote to throw those electoral votes out.

A candidate must have 270 electoral votes to win.

Pence can object to nor cast votes in this process. That is true.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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Shinkicker said:
I’m not sure what you are talking about.

Pence isn’t Congress.

The next President, in this case Biden, doesn’t take office until Congress counts and certifies the electoral votes. They do this in a joint session which was interrupted by the riots.

And Congress can object to electoral votes. If the objection is accepted then they can vote to throw those electoral votes out.

A candidate must have 270 electoral votes to win.

Pence can object to nor cast votes in this process. That is true.
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The case being made is that the mob was there to stop Pence from confirming the count and thus stopping Biden from becoming president.

That's also why in the days before January 6th the media was running stories, like the one I linked, explaining how stupid of an idea it was that the transfer was going to be stopped by Pence.
 
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BeardOfKnowledge said:
The case being made is that the mob was there to stop Pence from confirming the count and thus stopping Biden from becoming president.

That's also why in the days before January 6th the media was running stories, like the one I linked, explaining how stupid of an idea it was that the transfer was going to be stopped by Pence.
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That's not true.

You are a liar
 
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BeardOfKnowledge said:
The case being made is that the mob was there to stop Pence from confirming the count and thus stopping Biden from becoming president.

That's also why in the days before January 6th the media was running stories, like the one I linked, explaining how stupid of an idea it was that the transfer was going to be stopped by Pence.
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How much of the hearings have you watched?
 
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Freeloading Rusty said:
For a free thinker, you sure post a lot of fake and bias new sources.

You do realized your article is based off a source from NewsMax, yeah?
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I know the website sounds like it would have some bias to it based upon name alone

Felt it was fitting for this thread because it was full of hypotheticals
 
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