If this trial goes the right way America will become a much better place.
General Senate Judiciary Committee Report on Jan 6th
- Thread starter Wintermute
- Start date
Some of that doesn't add up, however if Trump was told "Listen fuckface, you can't do this" and did it anyways, then he absolutely shouldn't be allowed to run again.
Also, Pence is a gangster.
thats the main gist of days 2 and 3
day 1: outlined what was to come
day 2: evidence that everyone around him (except Guiliani and Powell) said that he lost the election. but he kept lying about fraud so as to raise money for a "official election defense fund" that didnt exist. instead, he padded the pockets of himself, his friends, and his family
day 3: evidence that everyone around him told him that Pence could not reject the electors, but Trump kept telling the public that Pence could anyway
its also worth noting that people like Jason Miller told Trump he lost the election and Pence cant reject electors behind the scenes. but then Miller would go on Fox and spew Trumps lies in both scenarios
and yeah, i didnt even do Pence justice. Pence's advisor said he got in the car. and most of Pence's team got in the car when Secret Service told them they had to go. Pence didn't just tell the SUVs not to leave. Pence didnt get in the SUVs
i fucken hate Pence. but he was a badass in this situation
and i stand by the fact that Trump should have been removed from office back when he told Ukrianina president he would withhold the funds unless he investigated Biden
Trump should have been removed and Pence should have been our president all the way back then
This show needs better writers and producers.
I think they were going for this...
en.wikipedia.org
But they ended up with this
I think they were going for this...
Peasants' Revolt - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Last edited:
Zelensky Criticizes ‘Fairness’ of Withholding Aid, Claims No Quid Pro Quo
Trump heard what he wanted in the new statement from Ukraine’s president.
nymag.com
i heard the phone call. there was definitely a quid-pro-quoZelensky Criticizes ‘Fairness’ of Withholding Aid, Claims No Quid Pro Quo
Trump heard what he wanted in the new statement from Ukraine’s president.
Zelensky is an unreliable narrator because he is at the whim of recieving aid from Trump, who was president at the time he made that statement
Hey @ConorMcGregorNutHugger this guy says Zelensky is a liar.
Since 2014, the United States has provided nearly $1.5 billion worth of military aid to Ukraine to help them fight off Russia which invaded the country in August of that year.
By July 2019, the Trump Administration had not delivered nearly $400 million in US support – including weapons, training and advisors – that Congress had previously approved for Ukraine’s continued efforts.
On July 25th, 2019, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asked about the aid on a phone call with President Trump, to which Trump now infamously responded, “I want you to do us a favor though.” Trump asked the Ukrainian President to investigate Vice President Joe Biden – a potential political opponent in the 2020 presidential election. Withholding desperately-needed military aid for a political favor is, by definition, a quid pro quo.
On September 26, 2019, the White House released a summary of the phone call that confirms President Trump’s effort to pressure the Ukrainian president into searching for political dirt on Vice President Joe Biden.
On October 17, 2019, Mick Mulvaney, President Trump’s acting Chief of Staff, admitted at a White House news conference that President Trump froze the military aid in an effort to pressure Ukraine into investigating Democrats. After confirming the existence of a quid pro quo, Mulvaney said: “Get over it.”
By July 2019, the Trump Administration had not delivered nearly $400 million in US support – including weapons, training and advisors – that Congress had previously approved for Ukraine’s continued efforts.
On July 25th, 2019, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asked about the aid on a phone call with President Trump, to which Trump now infamously responded, “I want you to do us a favor though.” Trump asked the Ukrainian President to investigate Vice President Joe Biden – a potential political opponent in the 2020 presidential election. Withholding desperately-needed military aid for a political favor is, by definition, a quid pro quo.
On September 26, 2019, the White House released a summary of the phone call that confirms President Trump’s effort to pressure the Ukrainian president into searching for political dirt on Vice President Joe Biden.
On October 17, 2019, Mick Mulvaney, President Trump’s acting Chief of Staff, admitted at a White House news conference that President Trump froze the military aid in an effort to pressure Ukraine into investigating Democrats. After confirming the existence of a quid pro quo, Mulvaney said: “Get over it.”
Z is the last guy anybody should trust...he is protected and projected by the highest of high
Of course, we obviously all sense this
That all is contingent on the victim feeling pressured. He said he wasn't. The end.
thats all ill say on this. not trying to derail this thread since that topic has been "discussed" ad nasuem on other threads
in terms of today, its very clear that Trump attempted a political coup
he is a disgusting human. granted, we already knew that
in terms of today, its very clear that Trump attempted a political coup
he is a disgusting human. granted, we already knew that
Based purely on what you've told me, it's not clear yet, but it ain't looking good.
Isn't that what politics is about?
This is another event in a long line of such behavior.
You should listen to the hearings. It's alot different hearing Trumps own team explain what he did as opposed to reading notes that a known anti-trump, progressive TMMACer casually threw togetherBased purely on what you've told me, it's not clear yet, but it ain't looking good.
You have to hear them say how they told trump over and over he lost. How denying electors is "fuckin crazy"
How his own cabinet discussed invoking the 25th on him. Shit like that
No. Corporations have a strangle hold on campaign financing due to the republican appointed Supreme Court justices ruling on Citizens United
It's corrupt. But it's legal
What Trump tried to do was reject the vote of the American people. That's illegal
Today, it was stated that Pence said his speech at the Federalist society was going to be the most important thing he ever said.
And what he said there was that Trumps idea that he had the power to overturn the election was undemocratic and unamerican
Oh, I understand. I'm not even saying your summary is inaccurate. But so far a lot of the smoking gun evidence comes from people whom would be deemed to be a dubious relevance in a criminal case.
That being said, given that Amerca's Mayor was his lawyer, if he told Trump that it was allowed and Trump was following the advice of his lawyer, you aren't going to see a lot happen.
I love how you have absolutely no clue what is going on with these hearings...... yet you've spent the last 16 months shilling for these cunts, parroting their bullshit about these being sham hearings, and reciting all of Tucker's canned lines about how nothing that happened on Jan 6 was important at all, nobody really did much of anything wrong, and there isn't a real, continuing and serious attempt to dismantle American democracy which is still being backed by the great majority of the Republican Party.
Oh and you still attempt to pretend like you're some neutral, unbiased observer who just calls it like it is.
Pathetic. This sort of shit is exactly what makes you a moron clown when it comes to American politics.
It's "not clear yet" that Trump attempted a political coup, and that he and the GOP which is in thrall to him are and continue to be a very clear, very real and very serious threat to American democracy? On a level that none of us here have come close to seeing in our lifetimes?
But the evidence for that isn't quite there yet?
What a clown you really are.
??
Sounds like shady politician shit.
So who do we want as the next president? Isn't that what this is about?
Endgame is?
I'm not sure that will hold up
American was founded on rebelling from a monarchy. His own team told him that its retarded to think that a VP alone can determine the next president
That's not what this is about. Elections determine the next president
these hearings are an investigation into the events lesding up to and during the riot of January 6th
We'll find out soon enough.
I understand. But let's say you're like "I' want to buy a boat." 6 people tell you that you can't afford a boat even though you really want one, and 4 people tell you "Fuck yeah, bro. Boats are awesome!" The vast majority of people are going to be buying a boat. It's human nature to put more weight behind the words of people who are siding with you.
Well, not the part where Pelosi royally fucked up. Just the Trump parts.
I wonder if any money changed hands when those GOP'ers were requesting pardons from Trump over J6?
Just asking questions.
Just asking questions.