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FINGERS

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Your headlines get increasingly comically over the top. I looked this up expecting to see something really bad. Honestly.

Israel as a state institution has allowed and supported the immigration over 100,000 Ethiopians.

A couple hundred women were given the depo shot (calling this sterilization is ridiculous and perfectly obfuscates the reality). some receive the shot in Israel and some received it and immigration clinics along the way not the Israelis.

Some of those hundreds stated that they were pressured or coerced into taking the shot.

Is consent an important patient standard? Yes. are there big risk for lack of consent when you have immigrant population with different language and healthcare understanding? Yes. This is all bad enough! But then the needless headline which just washes it all away when it's found out.

Was there any coordinated systemic or state sponsored sterilization program? Absolutely not.

You make it sound it fine.

It's only a few etc. Even if it was one state sponsored sterilazation then it's an issue.

But it wasn't just one. It was state wide systemic program. Denied for years. Except it happened. It has overtures of an early Nazi Germany wouldn't you say?


After Years of Denying it, Israel Finally Admits to Sterilizing Black Ethiopian

Israel admits Ethiopian women were given birth control shots

Forced contraception of Jewish Ethopian women is tip of global iceberg | Lisa Hallgarten

Israel has one of the most wicked political class in the whole world
 

Disciplined Galt

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You make it sound it fine.

It's only a few etc. Even if it was one state sponsored sterilazation then it's an issue.

But it wasn't just one. It was state wide systemic program. Denied for years. Except it happened. It has overtures of an early Nazi Germany wouldn't you say?


After Years of Denying it, Israel Finally Admits to Sterilizing Black Ethiopian

Israel admits Ethiopian women were given birth control shots

Forced contraception of Jewish Ethopian women is tip of global iceberg | Lisa Hallgarten

Israel has one of the most wicked political class in the whole world
Fits the bill; anti Semitic, pro mass immigration.
 

Leigh

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Your headlines get increasingly comically over the top. I looked this up expecting to see something really bad. Honestly.

Israel as a state institution has allowed and supported the immigration over 100,000 Ethiopians.

A couple hundred women were given the depo shot (calling this sterilization is ridiculous and perfectly obfuscates the reality). some receive the shot in Israel and some received it and immigration clinics along the way not the Israelis.

Some of those hundreds stated that they were pressured or coerced into taking the shot.

Is consent an important patient standard? Yes. are there big risk for lack of consent when you have immigrant population with different language and healthcare understanding? Yes. This is all bad enough! But then the needless headline which just washes it all away when it's found out.

Was there any coordinated systemic or state sponsored sterilization program? Absolutely not.
So these shots aren't permanent?

Asking for a friend.
 
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It was state wide systemic program. Denied for years. Except it happened. It has overtures of an early Nazi Germany wouldn't you say?
Did you read any of your links? Because that's not what happened at all. And your links don't support it. You just did the same thing that Zeph @Zeph did

Go ahead and show me your evidence. Your links do not show it.
I took the time to go back to the original haaretz articles and read them in chronological order.
I then read the health minister statement directly.
I read the interviews with the women and what they say happened. I read the total number of women that have been involved. I read the original investigative report by gal gabbay.

All you've done is restated the original claim and then linked articles that make the same exacerbated claim but don't have any data.



Again there was no systemic coordinated push to sterilize immigrant women from the Israel state proven or admitted like your headlines claim.

The Israeli state government in response to an investigative journal piece made a blanket policy reinforcing needs for translators and other pieces to make sure informed consent is obtained.

Not only is calling a 3-month birth control shot sterilization absolutely not accurate ( and intentionally demeaning to call up Nazis just like you did ), All of the same over the top headlines about Israel finally "admitting" are just as inaccurate. And you don't even realize this because you just read the headlines and posted them and didn't read your stories.


It was state wide systemic program. Denied for years. Except it happened

I'll be waiting. You won't find it.

And don't change your line in the sand when you don't find it.
 
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You make it sound it fine.
Just like you didn't read your articles you must not have read my post.

Is consent an important patient standard? Yes. are there big risk for lack of consent when you have immigrant population with different language and healthcare understanding? Yes. This is all bad enough! But then the needless headline which just washes it all away when it's found out.
 

FINGERS

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Did you read any of your links? Because that's not what happened at all. And your links don't support it. You just did the same thing that Zeph @Zeph did

Go ahead and show me your evidence. Your links do not show it.
I took the time to go back to the original haaretz articles and read them in chronological order.
I then read the health minister statement directly.
I read the interviews with the women and what they say happened. I read the total number of women that have been involved. I read the original investigative report by gal gabbay.

All you've done is restated the original claim and then linked articles that make the same exacerbated claim but don't have any data.



Again there was no systemic coordinated push to sterilize immigrant women from the Israel state proven or admitted like your headlines claim.

The Israeli state government in response to an investigative journal piece made a blanket policy reinforcing needs for translators and other pieces to make sure informed consent is obtained.

Not only is calling a 3-month birth control shot sterilization absolutely not accurate ( and intentionally demeaning to call up Nazis just like you did ), All of the same over the top headlines about Israel finally "admitting" are just as inaccurate. And you don't even realize this because you just read the headlines and posted them and didn't read your stories.





I'll be waiting. You won't find it.

And don't change your line in the sand when you don't find it.

I read enough.


The [Israeli] government had previously denied the practice but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynecologists to stop administering the drugs. According a report in Haaretz, suspicions were firstraised by an investigative journalist, Gal Gabbay, who interviewed more than 30 women from Ethiopia in an attempt to discover why birth rates in the community had fallen dramatically.

One of the Ethiopian women who was interviewed is quoted as saying: “They [medical staff] told us they are inoculations. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.” It is alleged that some of the women were forced or coerced to take the drug while in transit camps in Ethiopia.

The drug in question is thought to be Depo-Provera, which is injected every three months and is considered to be a highly effective, long-lasting contraceptive
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I'm not changing my view point this was state sponsored sterilazation.

Because it was.
 
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Hey FINGERS @Fingers I clicked through your links to their main sources and thought you might find it funny to understand what you're pushing. Why is this a topic in 2020? The supposed to admission was just the health minister confirmation of consent processes. But that happened in 2013. Who is pushing this in the last year now? Why is this a new topic more than 6 years later?

Your blog link.

After Years of Denying it, Israel Finally Admits to Sterilizing Black Ethiopian

Click source...

After Years of Denying it, Israel Finally Admits to Sterilizing Black Ethiopian Jewish Immigrants Without their Knowledge

Click source...

Israel Admits to Sterilizing Black Ethiopian Jewish Immigrants Without Their Knowledge | Christians for Truth

Blogs share other blogs as news. And it's always interesting to see what the original blog was...

Ah yes a white supremacist apologist blog...

Christians for Truth | The truth will set you free

With gripping headlines like...

Jewish Pornographers Turn Germany’s Migrant Rape Crisis Into Lucrative S&M Fetish

And

Top Jewish Scholar Admits Hitler Launched WWII To Stop ‘World Jewry’ From ‘Annihilating Germany’


@Slutman Lars would be proud
 
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I'm not changing my view point this was state sponsored sterilazation.

Because it was.

You're literally just copying and pasting a blog that takes the statement out of context from the health minister even.
They didn't even discontinue giving depo shots as they proclaim in your text. They currently still give depo shots. The issue is informed consent.

Why on Earth are you holding on to this so hard with no evidence? and even an easy click away to find out the original health minister statement to see how wrong you're being and that that blog completely takes it out of context.

You really should read the blog links I just posted to see what kind of information you're spamming to the world and what the source originally is.
 

FINGERS

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Hey FINGERS @Fingers I clicked through your links to their main sources and thought you might find it funny to understand what you're pushing. Why is this a topic in 2020? be supposed to admission was just the health minister confirmation of consent processes. But that happened in 2013. Who is pushing this in the last year now? Why is this a new topic more than 6 years later?

Your blog link.

After Years of Denying it, Israel Finally Admits to Sterilizing Black Ethiopian

Click source...

After Years of Denying it, Israel Finally Admits to Sterilizing Black Ethiopian Jewish Immigrants Without their Knowledge

Click source...

Israel Admits to Sterilizing Black Ethiopian Jewish Immigrants Without Their Knowledge | Christians for Truth

Blogs share other blogs as news. And it's always interesting to see what the original blog was...

Ah yes a white supremacist apologist blog...

Christians for Truth | The truth will set you free

With gripping headlines like...

Jewish Pornographers Turn Germany’s Migrant Rape Crisis Into Lucrative S&M Fetish

And

Top Jewish Scholar Admits Hitler Launched WWII To Stop ‘World Jewry’ From ‘Annihilating Germany’


@Slutman Lars would be proud

I used the older articles ( not blogs ) to show it was systematic and had been going on for 7 years at least.

The two newer ones from this month show the government funded systematic sterilisation of Ethiopian Jews is stopping now.
 

FINGERS

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You're literally just copying and pasting a blog that takes the statement out of context from the health minister even.
They didn't even discontinue giving depo shots as they proclaim in your text. They currently still give depo shots. The issue is informed consent.

Why on Earth are you holding on to this so hard with no evidence? and even an easy click away to find out the original health minister statement to see how wrong you're being and that that blog completely takes it out of context.

You really should read the blog links I just posted to see what kind of information you're spamming to the world and what the source originally is.

I will read them when I get the time later.

The articles back up what I'm saying.
 

FINGERS

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Again they literally don't. You just keep saying that and I just keep pointing out that it exactly doesn't say that. You're just copying and pasting blog paraphrasing of statements.



Please show me non-blog new articles on this.

Just so I'm clear.

You are saying this didn't happen?

Or it did happen but it's ok?
 
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Just so I'm clear.

You are saying this didn't happen?

Or it did happen but it's ok?
I've been real clear. There is no statewide Israeli sterilization program and there was not and it wasn't admitted in any at the articles that have been posted claiming it