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Are there any posters on TMMAC who don't think that bombing in Syria is a bad idea? It seems universally unpopular from what I've seen around the interwebs.
It was necessary. If we hadn't responded, the next attack by them would've come sooner and/or been more deadly.

We did it in Syria so as not to undermine/embarrass the young Iraqi government.
 

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Necessary for what? An oil pipeline?
Necessary to remove the Taliban-run government that was supporting and harbouring al-Qaeda.

Say what you want, but the Taliban isn't running the government now.
 

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Necessary to remove the Taliban-run government that was supporting and harbouring al-Qaeda.

Say what you want, but the Taliban isn't running the government now.
Isis is probably worse than all those groups you just named and we threw gasoline on a fire. an irainian form of isis would be pretty nasty doe. Iranians are a lot smarter harder working than afghans and iraqis.
 
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Isis is probably worse than all those groups you just named and we threw gasoline on a fire. an irainian form of isis would be pretty nasty doe. Iranians are a lot smarter harder working than afghans and iraqis.
We didn't have a choice. The strike was retaliatory, not preemptive.

We've struck these groups before. They're under Iran's thumb and Iran doesn't want war.
 

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The strikes were illegal. President did not have congressional authorization

He is a war monger. And his secretary of defense used to be on ratheons board

This is just the start of the war crimes
 
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The strikes were illegal. President did not have congressional authorization

He is a war monger. And his secretary of defense used to be on ratheons board

This is just the start of the war crimes
What was the alternative? They attacked our base in Iraqi Kurdistan.
 

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What was the alternative? They attacked our base in Iraqi Kurdistan.
The U.S.A. is not at war with Syria, and Congress didn't authorize the attack, makimg it illegal to the best of my monkey brains knowledge

In terms of what we should have done, which is a separate question, i admittedly do not have enough information to make a recomendation.

But i am 100% against using Syria as a playground for american bombs. Biden will get away with it because no one gives a shit about Syria or Syrians (no one being the leaders of the USA and other nations)

Its sad. Wrong. And disgusting.
 
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The U.S.A. is not at war with Syria, and Congress didn't authorize the attack, makimg it illegal to the best of my monkey brains knowledge
It's debatable but doesn't appear to be illegal.

Biden is using the broad argument for the right to self-defense. As I've stated, this was a retaliatory strike and it's why I don't have a problem with it.

We should note that both Obama and Trump took action in Syria:

  • Obama used the 2001 AUMF (Authorized Use of Military Force) in Afghanistan/2002 AUMF in Iraq as a basis. This use is still on the books today as the wars in these countries have not ended. Blame Bush/Cheney for creating such a wide scope through which Presidents can circumvent Congress to act militarily.
  • Trump bombed Syria and used both self-defense and the 2001/2002 AUMF.

 
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K @kaladin stormblessed but it absolutely makes Biden, VP Harris, and Press Secretary Psaki hypocrites for questioning the legal authority Trump had when authorizing strikes in Syria (tbf I supported those strikes by Trump as well).
 

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It's debatable but doesn't appear to be illegal.

Biden is using the broad argument for the right to self-defense. As I've stated, this was a retaliatory strike and it's why I don't have a problem with it.

We should note that both Obama and Trump took action in Syria:

  • Obama used the 2001 AUMF (Authorized Use of Military Force) in Afghanistan/2002 AUMF in Iraq as a basis. This use is still on the books today as the wars in these countries have not ended. Blame Bush/Cheney for creating such a wide scope through which Presidents can circumvent Congress to act militarily.
  • Trump bombed Syria and used both self-defense and the 2001/2002 AUMF.

I hear ya. But i am against them having done it as well without congressional approval

My limited understanding is that the president can only make a unilateral decision like that if our homeland is ubder threat

Some of the very few congressmen who i trust have called it illegal, so without doing my own research, i am going to believe them (people like my boy Ro Khanna)

Bernard Sanders: “Our Constitution is clear that it is the Congress, not the President, who has the authority to declare war."

Ro Khanna: “There is absolutely no justification for a president to authorize a military strike that is not in self-defense against an imminent threat without congressional authorization.”
 

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K @kaladin stormblessed but it absolutely makes Biden, VP Harris, and Press Secretary Psaki hypocrites for questioning the legal authority Trump had when authorizing strikes in Syria (tbf I supported those strikes by Trump as well).
Exactly

Side note. Alot of americans (and id guess people here as well) hate my girl Ilhan Omar ... but shes one of the very few good people in congress imo

Here she is calling out the press secretary as you did (i think she is retweeting psakis tweet against trump for doing the same)

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I hear ya. But i am against them having done it as well without congressional approval

My limited understanding is that the president can only make a unilateral decision like that if our homeland is ubder threat

Some of the very few congressmen who i trust have called it illegal, so without doing my own research, i am going to believe them (people like my boy Ro Khanna)

Bernard Sanders: “Our Constitution is clear that it is the Congress, not the President, who has the authority to declare war."

Ro Khanna: “There is absolutely no justification for a president to authorize a military strike that is not in self-defense against an imminent threat without congressional authorization.”
I think the authorization is there. We used it to attack and eventually eliminate ISIL territorial control in Syria. ISIL had spread from Iraq into Syria and that was the justification.

The PMF/Kata'ib Hezbollah did the same thing. And despite technically and only nominally being part of the Iraqi military, they've still attacked us and they're still supported financially and militarily by our regional nemesis Iran.

If Congress wants to redefine the scope of Presidential power under the 2001/2002 AUMF, that's fine.

But again, I stress, WE WERE ATTACKED FIRST (not shouting at you, just trying to get you to understand by speaking Jersey). We didn't become global hegemon by falling down and saying "ow, daddy, my pussy hurts" every time someone bombed us.
 

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K @kaladin stormblessed but it absolutely makes Biden, VP Harris, and Press Secretary Psaki hypocrites for questioning the legal authority Trump had when authorizing strikes in Syria (tbf I supported those strikes by Trump as well).
Don't forget (you may have written it but I don't pay attention to most of what you write) that Trump also argued that a retaliation via airstrike like this isn't war and therefore didn't need the approval of Congress.

I mean... It's not how I would go with it but it's not entirely wrong either.