General We shooting syria again

Welcome to our Community
Wanting to join the rest of our members? Feel free to Sign Up today.
Sign up
M

member 3289

Guest
Willthiswork said:
Don't forget (you may have written it but I don't pay attention to most of what you write) that Trump also argued that a retaliation via airstrike like this isn't war and therefore didn't need the approval of Congress.

I mean... It's not how I would go with it but it's not entirely wrong either.
Click to expand...
I almost mentioned it in a previous post but left it out because the post was getting too wordy.

A unique interpretation of the Constitution to say the least.
 
K

kaladin stormblessed

Nala fanboy
Apr 24, 2017
17,652
20,029
conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
I think the authorization is there. We used it to attack and eventually eliminate ISIL territorial control in Syria. ISIL had spread from Iraq into Syria and that was the justification.

The PMF/Kata'ib Hezbollah did the same thing. And despite technically and only nominally being part of the Iraqi military, they've still attacked us and they're still supported financially and militarily by our regional nemesis Iran.

If Congress wants to redefine the scope of Presidential power under the 2001/2002 AUMF, that's fine.

But again, I stress, WE WERE ATTACKED FIRST (not shouting at you, just trying to get you to understand by speaking Jersey). We didn't become global hegemon by falling down and saying "ow, daddy, my pussy hurts" every time someone bombed us.
Click to expand...
I hear ya. There may be technicalities that you pointed out.

I dont think we should be there in the first place. We are such a global bully. Its no wonder generations of children grow up hating us when we trout around the globe as if we own it and carelessly kill so many civilians

Another point ive heard raised is that we did it unilaterally. We didnt go to any allies

And also, this hampers the discussions to get back into the nuclear deal wirh iran that trump stupidly backed out of.

Granted, a war monger like biden may not want to get into the old or a new agreement, despite what he claims
 
M

member 1013

Guest
kaladin stormblessed said:
Shes one of the few people who doesnt take corporate pac money. And shes the grifter?

Agree to disagree

Shes beloved by her constituents. And by myself
Click to expand...
Lol okay

You’re a smart guy

You should seek some balance between your historical fluctuations to either political extreme
 
M

member 3289

Guest
kaladin stormblessed said:
I dont think we should be there in the first place. We are such a global bully. Its no wonder generations of children grow up hating us when we trout around the globe as if we own it and carelessly kill so many civilians
Click to expand...
Fuck em. They'll never love us, and we'll never stay on top by appeasing them.

Another point ive heard raised is that we did it unilaterally. We didnt go to any allies
Click to expand...
Kata'ib Hezbollah didn't attack our allies. They attacked us. Our response was proportional but limited.

And you overestimate the military prowess of our allies. Aside from maybe the UK, no country in NATO has a respectable military. It's why I also supported Trump's push to get other NATO members to increase their military spending. They're (mostly) all fucking bums and mooches who would come crawling to daddy for help if they were ever attacked.

And also, this hampers the discussions to get back into the nuclear deal wirh iran that trump stupidly backed out of.
Click to expand...
It doesn't. If anything it strengthens our position and shows we aren't going to be pushovers. I agree that Trump never should have left that deal but if Iran was so concerned about us reinstating it, they wouldn't have approved/ordered their proxy's attack on us to begin with.

Granted, a war monger like biden may not want to get into the old or a new agreement, despite what he claims
Click to expand...
I see no reason for him to lie. He was VP under Obama when the deal was signed. He supported it then and he supports it now imo.
 
K

kaladin stormblessed

Nala fanboy
Apr 24, 2017
17,652
20,029
CovidFree said:
Lol okay

You’re a smart guy

You should seek some balance between your historical fluctuations to either political extreme
Click to expand...
Ilhan is painted as "extreme" by MSM on both sides of the aisle, but her policy positions are popylar among voters

M4A as the lrime example. Over 60% of voters support M4A.

So M4A may be "extreme" to reoublican and neoliberal politicians, but it is very non extreme for voters

Republican politicians and "moderate" democrat politicians are actually the "extreme" ones, in most cases (when judged based off voter preference)

MSM propegates the "extreme" lie. And thats how we get a lifelong corrupt piece of shit like biden
 
K

kaladin stormblessed

Nala fanboy
Apr 24, 2017
17,652
20,029
@conor mcgregor nut hugger - 9/11 happened during my welcome week of college. Couple that with me listening to mark levin and rush limbaugh fkr the nexr 15 years, and i used to live in fear and want to blow all those fuckers off the face of the earth

Nowadays, i have made friends with girls in iran and palestine (and other countries) through the online gsme of thrones community. And i see things differently.

I am atheist now, but for lack of better words, i pray for them and their families... that is, when im not blasting music carefree while snowboardong at my local mountain or in the eastern hemispheres largest indoor snowboard park, etc
 
Daglord

Daglord

Posting Machine
Jan 26, 2015
1,375
1,939
kaladin stormblessed said:
The U.S.A. is not at war with Syria, and Congress didn't authorize the attack, makimg it illegal to the best of my monkey brains knowledge

In terms of what we should have done, which is a separate question, i admittedly do not have enough information to make a recomendation.

But i am 100% against using Syria as a playground for american bombs. Biden will get away with it because no one gives a shit about Syria or Syrians (no one being the leaders of the USA and other nations)

Its sad. Wrong. And disgusting.
Click to expand...
I agree 100% that its BS.

but the President can respond to an attack on the US, its territories or personnel without congressional approval.

regardless, all presidents have abused the AUMF 2001 for their own reasons (debatable legality). That needs to be changed & is something the likes of Amash, Paul, Massie, Gabbard, Sanders, etc, etc have been fighting for as long as I can remember.
 
Daglord

Daglord

Posting Machine
Jan 26, 2015
1,375
1,939
^ thanks. watching now.

I think bringing up the AUMF is very important & not leading astray at all. Once again, the current president is abusing it. Not sure there is a more important issue than sunsetting the AUMF & returning war power back to congress.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEJBLf5Skrk


Senator Rand Paul gives a speech on the Senate floor about how congress should vote on authorizing military force.
 
M

member 1013

Guest
kaladin stormblessed said:
Ilhan is painted as "extreme" by MSM on both sides of the aisle, but her policy positions are popylar among voters

M4A as the lrime example. Over 60% of voters support M4A.

So M4A may be "extreme" to reoublican and neoliberal politicians, but it is very non extreme for voters

Republican politicians and "moderate" democrat politicians are actually the "extreme" ones, in most cases (when judged based off voter preference)

MSM propegates the "extreme" lie. And thats how we get a lifelong corrupt piece of shit like biden
Click to expand...
Did you just call me a neoliberal you asshole?!?!

Also lol at thinking someone who is funnelling campaign money to her husband’s company and who filed fraudulent tax returns is morally virtuous.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
K

kaladin stormblessed

Nala fanboy
Apr 24, 2017
17,652
20,029
CovidFree said:
Did you just call me a neoliberal you asshole?!?!

Also lol at thinking someone who is funnelling campaign money to her husband’s company and who filed fraudulent tax returns is morally virtuous.
Click to expand...
Lol i definitely didnt call you an asshole lol

But i do believe that neoliberal policy preferences are "extreme," as they are minority positions relative to the views of democratic voters as a whole (despite neoliberal politicians being branded as "moderates")
 
M

member 1013

Guest
kaladin stormblessed said:
Lol i definitely didnt call you an asshole lol

But i do believe that neoliberal policy preferences are "extreme," as they are minority positions relative to the views of democratic voters as a whole (despite neoliberal politicians being branded as "moderates")
Click to expand...
neoliberals are absolutely not moderates, that’s not what I was talking about and I would never advise you to become a neoliberal
 
BeardOfKnowledge

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
61,099
56,489
K

kaladin stormblessed

Nala fanboy
Apr 24, 2017
17,652
20,029
conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
NotBanjaxo @Banjaxo megatherium @megatherium K @kaladin stormblessed

www.bbc.co.uk

Iraq rocket attack: Air base hosting US-led coalition forces targeted

The attack comes days after the US carried out air strikes on Iran-backed Iraqi militias in Syria.
www.bbc.co.uk

Still think the U.S. should do nothing? That we don't have the right to respond?
Click to expand...
At some point, someone needs to show restraint. Becsuse retaliation to a retaloation to a retalation. It goes on and on

Considering that we are from an entirelt dofferenr continent, we shouldnt be thr ones to deliber the last blow.

We need to gtfo of there imo. Thats all
 
M

member 1013

Guest
kaladin stormblessed said:
At some point, someone needs to show restraint. Becsuse retaliation to a retaloation to a retalation. It goes on and on

Considering that we are from an entirelt dofferenr continent, we shouldnt be thr ones to deliber the last blow.

We need to gtfo of there imo. Thats all
Click to expand...
Noooo

You’re back now!!
 
Hauler

Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
48,237
60,284
kaladin stormblessed said:
At some point, someone needs to show restraint. Becsuse retaliation to a retaloation to a retalation. It goes on and on

Considering that we are from an entirelt dofferenr continent, we shouldnt be thr ones to deliber the last blow.

We need to gtfo of there imo. Thats all
Click to expand...
Tom Petty said it best on the 2nd track from his Full Moon Fever album...

I Won't Back Down
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom