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Disciplined Galt

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^ fuckin cheers bro!!

I am half dutch btw

Honestly not here to argue or win any debates or put anyone down. Just wanna share and learn. Some people just get really sensitive with certain issues, emotions and conditionings get in the way of rational discourse
You hold my pocket, you'll be fine. Be careful around the others.
 

Pitbull9

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^ fuckin cheers bro!!

I am half dutch btw

Honestly not here to argue or win any debates or put anyone down. Just wanna share and learn. Some people just get really sensitive with certain issues, emotions and conditionings get in the way of rational discourse
Hilarious. I guess what some think is rational discourse others might not. I thought it was rational to keep people who want you dead or to harm you at bay, i guess not.
 

Disciplined Galt

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Its all very complicated because you are dealing with real people, emotions, sympathy, being realistic, and sometimes the answer to a solution isnt always the "right" way but it has to be done.

When people bring up the holocaust, or slavery, or apartheid, all those examples are all completely different that what is going on today for one major reason. Those people during those times did not show any signs of threatening anyone or anything like that. They were singled out because of color, and religion.
Loving the convo mang. I tend to disagre with you, really too faded to speak though. Once aman disaccotaes from Bur mese for reasons of civility a mn knies sleep time hyes.
 

Yossarian

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Are you really gonna lump ALL arabs together as 'a people of hate'?
Wouldn't that be the same as regarding all Jews Zionists?
I am half dutch btw
My condolences.
When people bring up the holocaust, or slavery, or apartheid, all those examples are all completely different that what is going on today for one major reason. Those people during those times did not show any signs of threatening anyone or anything like that. They were singled out because of color, and religion.
This pretty much sums it up. These days we use a lot of rhetoric to describe situations, often to magnify a response. How many times we call soeone Hitler, or compare things with slavery, Apartheid, or the holocaust.
 

Pitbull9

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Wouldn't that be the same as regarding all Jews Zionists?

My condolences.

This pretty much sums it up. These days we use a lot of rhetoric to describe situations, often to magnify a response. How many times we call soeone Hitler, or compare things with slavery, Apartheid, or the holocaust.
Exactly which is why i wish people were just honest and say I just hate X. Say i hate Jews, I hate black people, I hate Muslims, whatever it is just be honest and then we can have conversation when we know where the other stands.

Reality is reality, opinions are opinions. You cant have a discussion and use your opinions as facts. You have to actually look at a full situation and be real about what is going on. Now does that mean i am totally happy about how it is all going down, no way. Sure i dont feel pity for the scum that run these places but of course their are innocents who just want to live in peace and be happy. That is where it get murky. Sure some people like me will half jokinly and half seriously say nuke it all. The serious part is to just wipe the scum out in one shot and no chance of leftovers, the joke part is we would never do that because of all the innocent people.
 
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Wouldn't that be the same as regarding all Jews Zionists?
I have never said/done this. In fact I always make a very clear effort to distinguish the 2.


Its all very complicated because you are dealing with real people, emotions, sympathy, being realistic, and sometimes the answer to a solution isnt always the "right" way but it has to be done.

When people bring up the holocaust, or slavery, or apartheid, all those examples are all completely different that what is going on today for one major reason. Those people during those times did not show any signs of threatening anyone or anything like that. They were singled out because of color, and religion.
smart post! Now we're getting somewhere

Although re; the holocaust, at least some of the hatred there came from what they perceived to be a threat/injustices of the times, it wasn't just purely irrational racism.

And re; Israel, at least some of the foundations of the state come from some notion of racial superiority, I think a lot of the hatred they get now is because of the settlements and bullying, again not just purely irrational racism.
 

Pitbull9

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I have never said/done this. In fact I always make a very clear effort to distinguish the 2.




smart post! Now we're getting somewhere

Although re; the holocaust, at least some of the hatred there came from what they perceived to be a threat/injustices of the times, it wasn't just purely irrational racism.

And re; Israel, at least some of the foundations of the state come from some notion of racial superiority, I think a lot of the hatred they get now is because of the settlements and bullying, again not just purely irrational racism.

The hatred is because they are on the other end swinging the stick now and no one likes that. The other stuff is just so they have an excuse to say WHY they are hated except for the obvious I just hate Jews answer which they all know wont fly or get them sympathy.
 
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I honestly think you'd have trouble finding people who just hate one group or another just because. Its usually due to actions, circumstances and injustices that build resentment. You can't take legit criticism and angst over physical circumstances and then just say 'oh be honest you just hate them all' for no reason

I suppose some hate is taught/learned though, for instance in the heyday of the British Empire, racism I'm sure was just a given, a part of the natural order of things. They were just raised to believe in their superiority

Ironically much of the hardcore jewish religion also outright distinguishes harshly between the jew and the goyim, this is pretty racist teaching imo. Hardcore Muslims do something very similar, this is a whole big part of the problem imo
 
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This thread is gonna kill my work day, lol I gotta get off this thing

Why can't this forum be slower like some other forums where I only have to keep up with a small handful of replies per day? :D
 

Pitbull9

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I honestly think you'd have trouble finding people who just hate one group or another just because. Its usually due to actions, circumstances and injustices that build resentment. You can't take legit criticism and angst over physical circumstances and then just say 'oh be honest you just hate them all' for no reason

I suppose some hate is taught/learned though, for instance in the heyday of the British Empire, racism I'm sure was just a given, a part of the natural order of things. They were just raised to believe in their superiority

Ironically much of the hardcore jewish religion also outright distinguishes harshly between the jew and the goyim, this is pretty racist teaching imo. Hardcore Muslims do something very similar, this is a whole big part of the problem imo
Yes you are right about the Hardcore Jewish people. They are rough and even hate some of their own. Yes i do think people just hate to hate. They will develop their own reasoning to justify the hate, same as people will justify anything to make what they are doing seem right. I hate what is going on PERIOD, but i am also someone who thinks if we let our guard down with so many that want us all dead it will be foolish and we cant afford to have a mistake like that made. As much as im sure most wont believe it, but we do need a Jewish state.
 
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'Whosoever diggeth a pit, shall fall in it'

Peace Love and Understanding to all indeed. A sad situation on all of us as humans together.

Sometimes it almost seems like it all must come to a head pop before it can truly begin to heal. Perhaps we are seeing it now. It certainly wasn't getting anywhere until now, lol

Personally I find it all very interesting when viewed upon in the same biblical manner; that specific prophecies are happening etc... but you are right we need to forget ideology sometimes and just think of the real lives and families that are living through this, from any different perspective
 
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You're right about people's capability to just hate for hate's sake...

I tend to underestimate that sometimes :(
 

Disciplined Galt

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Exactly which is why i wish people were just honest and say I just hate X. Say i hate Jews, I hate black people, I hate Muslims, whatever it is just be honest and then we can have conversation when we know where the other stands.

Reality is reality, opinions are opinions. You cant have a discussion and use your opinions as facts. You have to actually look at a full situation and be real about what is going on. Now does that mean i am totally happy about how it is all going down, no way. Sure i dont feel pity for the scum that run these places but of course their are innocents who just want to live in peace and be happy. That is where it get murky. Sure some people like me will half jokinly and half seriously say nuke it all. The serious part is to just wipe the scum out in one shot and no chance of leftovers, the joke part is we would never do that because of all the innocent people.
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Yes you are right about the Hardcore Jewish people. They are rough and even hate some of their own. Yes i do think people just hate to hate. They will develop their own reasoning to justify the hate, same as people will justify anything to make what they are doing seem right. I hate what is going on PERIOD, but i am also someone who thinks if we let our guard down with so many that want us all dead it will be foolish and we cant afford to have a mistake like that made. As much as im sure most wont believe it, but we do need a Jewish state.
Then why aren't you there?
 

Disciplined Galt

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Exactly which is why i wish people were just honest and say I just hate X. Say i hate Jews, I hate black people, I hate Muslims, whatever it is just be honest and then we can have conversation when we know where the other stands.

Reality is reality, opinions are opinions. You cant have a discussion and use your opinions as facts. You have to actually look at a full situation and be real about what is going on. Now does that mean i am totally happy about how it is all going down, no way. Sure i dont feel pity for the scum that run these places but of course their are innocents who just want to live in peace and be happy. That is where it get murky. Sure some people like me will half jokinly and half seriously say nuke it all. The serious part is to just wipe the scum out in one shot and no chance of leftovers, the joke part is we would never do that because of all the innocent people.
Dude,I really don't hate anyone. I reckon you're flailing. Honestly; ignoring a guy is as far I go unless you invade my space.
 

Pitbull9

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You're right about people's capability to just hate for hate's sake...

I tend to underestimate that sometimes :(
I will make a long story short about how that happened to me and what is funny is their was a movie made with the same plot. When i was younger playing ice hockey i was very good i got chosen to play on a team that was dominated by players from don bosco, bergen catholic etc you get the idea lol. I was keeping it on the low that i was jewish because i used to hear lots of shit talking and didnt want problems. I wsa good friends with everyone, they one day find out im jewish, and it all went the other way. Not a good time.
 

jason73

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I will make a long story short about how that happened to me and what is funny is their was a movie made with the same plot. When i was younger playing ice hockey i was very good i got chosen to play on a team that was dominated by players from don bosco, bergen catholic etc you get the idea lol. I was keeping it on the low that i was jewish because i used to hear lots of shit talking and didnt want problems. I wsa good friends with everyone, they one day find out im jewish, and it all went the other way. Not a good time.
Just like mighty ducks
 

jason73

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Israel would be a cool place to visit if you didnt have to worry about some durka durka types suicide bombing your hotel
 
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I will make a long story short about how that happened to me and what is funny is their was a movie made with the same plot. When i was younger playing ice hockey i was very good i got chosen to play on a team that was dominated by players from don bosco, bergen catholic etc you get the idea lol. I was keeping it on the low that i was jewish because i used to hear lots of shit talking and didnt want problems. I wsa good friends with everyone, they one day find out im jewish, and it all went the other way. Not a good time.
^^ that is shitty bro, sorry to hear that.

Hockey players suck, lol I will be upfront and honest for sake of clarity and discussion here, they are a low bunch just naturally and do not deserve my pity.