I would take Vitali Klitschko in an all alive tournament in paradise....that guy was amazing
Mike really was a pretty small HW...those short arms really hurt him against big dudes like Lennox
Mike really was a pretty small HW...those short arms really hurt him against big dudes like Lennox
Vitali is up there
I go Lennox 1
Prime Ali 2
Vladimir and Vitali 3 and 4
Prime Foreman 5
Evander 6
Larry Holmes 7
Anthony Joshua 8
Joe Louis 8
Riddick Bowe 9
Mike Tyson10
people will scoff at Joshua at 8, again this rank is not about accomplishment, Joshua has a ways to go it is simply about who beats who if they all fought
The top 5 I feel strong about 6 through 10 can go any order
Honorable mention Joe Johnson
I wanted to put Deontay on the list, but I need to see a bit more, his offense is up there with all these guys, I just dont know if Deontay has the defense and chin, I think prime Holmes iwth that jab and fundaementals would beat him, Riddick Bowe vs Deontay would be interesting, Tyson vs Deontay interesting also.
Whenever Tyson is brought up, there's hardly any middle ground: I think most people either severely overrate him or underrate him.
In terms of accomplishments, Tyson's resume will pale in comparison to a lot of other ATG HWs because he was an anomaly: he peaked very young and his best days were behind him when was in his mid 20s. He went to jail and that was the end of prime Tyson.
In terms of actual in-ring ability, he could beat any HW that ever lived on any given night. He was a perfect killing machine. Boxing fans know how rare it is to find a guy who has legit 1-punch KO power in both hands. Then give him blistering hand speed and the perfect technique drilled into his skull since he was a young teenager. This is a guy who is a life and death fight for anyone.
People smash Tyson's opposition, but I think that's unfair. He fought a lot of killers. The name Tony TNT Tucker might not mean anything to a casual boxing fan, but that's a tough night at the office for anyone.
In terms of accomplishments, Tyson's resume will pale in comparison to a lot of other ATG HWs because he was an anomaly: he peaked very young and his best days were behind him when was in his mid 20s. He went to jail and that was the end of prime Tyson.
In terms of actual in-ring ability, he could beat any HW that ever lived on any given night. He was a perfect killing machine. Boxing fans know how rare it is to find a guy who has legit 1-punch KO power in both hands. Then give him blistering hand speed and the perfect technique drilled into his skull since he was a young teenager. This is a guy who is a life and death fight for anyone.
People smash Tyson's opposition, but I think that's unfair. He fought a lot of killers. The name Tony TNT Tucker might not mean anything to a casual boxing fan, but that's a tough night at the office for anyone.
If you read my post on here you will see I am one of the few that does not over or under rate him
It speaks to how great Ali was that even when compared to fighters of today, I still think he beats them all except for Lennox.
You have ANTHONY FUCKING JOSHUA at #8? A guy who has 20 fights and has been a pro for 5 years is the #8 HW of all time? Joshua isn't even the undisputed #1 in this era, and you're saying he's #8 of all time?
Above Joe Louis? 26 HW title defences?
Oi vey... preach on Brother Roger
My heart can't handle this excitement, I gotta bounce out this thread lolololol Anthony Joshua
You have ANTHONY FUCKING JOSHUA at #8? A guy who has 20 fights and has been a pro for 5 years is the #8 HW of all time? Joshua isn't even the undisputed #1 in this era, and you're saying he's #8 of all time?
Above Joe Louis? 26 HW title defences?
Oi vey... preach on Brother Roger
You have the reading comprehension of a toddler, if you fully read my post, I am not saying Anthony Joshua ranks 8th alltime for heavies, he has a ways to go, I am saying if all the guys where alive right now and in their prime I put him at 8 in terms of who beats who
Joe Louis alltime ranks higher, due to his career but if prime Joe Louis , he was what 6'1" 225 ? fought Joshua right now, I would take Joshua and most experts would agree with me.
Learn how to read, if you have the ability to learn
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, leave the discussion to the men, later boy, peace
It's a bit misleading to frame Evander Holyfield as having 'avenged' his loss to Bowe as he is 1-2 against him. I also can't work out why Bowe is lost in these discussions.Evander Holyfield
Beat more credible guys than Mike Tyson
Worthy named opponents Evander beat-
MIKE TYSON
Buster Douglas
MIKE TYSON
Michael Dokes
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Riddick Bowe
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Hasim Rahman
You might be thinking of pointing out that two guys on that list beat Evander Holyfield. You're right, they did. And when Evander rematched both, he beat both. Something Mike Tyson has NEVER done, avenge a loss.
Evander Holyfield=beat more credible guys than Mike Tyson, beat Mike Tyson as well, twice, as well as beat Buster Douglas who was the first to beat Mike Tyson just 8 months prior, before Tyson was in prison.
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He only lost to one guy, who he bested in a 3 fight series, and is the only guy to ever unify all 4 alphabets. Bowe ducked Lewis and also obviously lost to him at the Olympics but there's also things he has over Lewis/Tyson/Holyfield - unlike the first two, he simply didn't get beat by guys like Douglas, McCall or Rahman and he proved he was the better man at HW vs Holyfield. We can speculate that he would've lost to Golota had Golota not been nuts, but the fact remains he never actually did.
And considering that the argument about Tyson is that while his final record doesn't stack up, his talent did, then the same applies to Bowe as he was simply recognized as an elite HW talent himself.
Holyfield may have had the best two-weight class career, Tyson may have had the most dynamic skills for a smaller HW but quite simply the best two pure HW boxers of the era were Lewis and Bowe.
King definitely helped, but "Kid Dynamite" was on the cover of SI (when that still meant something) well before King got involved (I think)
Not killer ; rapist
if ever there were a post that deserved a literal 'optimistic' rating...
I don’t believe that for a second.Not killer ; rapist
If this is the logic you use then Riddick Bowe who faced Holyfield a 3rd time is the best HW of all time. Nobody beats Riddick that night.GOAT Heavyweight (based purely on skill when he was at his best, not on individual accomplishments per se)
I was going to joke and say this looks like a challenge, but then I see two posters on page 2 done shittied up the thread, so you jinxed it before I could even kid about it lol
Tony Tucker
There's a name you listed as a credible win for Tyson.
Congrats.
Please continue. Lets look at how Tyson's worthy opponents beat stack up to Holyfields and Lewis's and maybe give Mike Tyson an edge in this discussion once we can see who you think he beat that's worthy of being mentioned.
You started off with Tony Tucker, now please just go down the list as I have done for two other HW greats of that era.
Tyson was sick because of things like this. He was a monster in every way at one point. His power was just unbelievable. He almost took a guys head right off with an uppercut. That shit wouldve popped if it was a normal man. He was incredibly skilled, incredibly damaged, incredibly taken advantage of by everyone and much more.
Who are the 2 posters shitting up your thread on this here page 2?
I don't know shit about boxing, so it wasn't me .
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