I know bro. I'm just funin'
Kron Gracie thinks Earth is flat
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Man bro thats crazy. I don't trust NASA any further then I can see themI had a fraudulent lawsuit by an NASA astronaut against me for 2 years...she was a total nut job
wanted to sue me for all I was worth, for a very minor fender bender which she denied medical and law enforcement attention at the scene...Claimed her Kid was now scared to drive in cars and that her life had been ruined
Luckily I have Military family coverage USAA and they put that puppy on ice
Has nothing to do with the thread but that bish was a fraud...at the scene her husband looked at me with "fucking oh shit dude you just triggered my psycho" eyes.
They haven't contributed any real science in decades
At least that got all the Nazis out of the organization... so we are told anyway.
Don't get me started on the government. Like I say I have an open mind
and I'm certainly not one to bow down to authority and believe whatever
stuff that comes out their mouth
No by itself it does not. But certain words....spelling and grammer does not a man make
There are two types of men in this world. Those who spell it "lieing" and those who spell it "lying".
Only one of those is not to be taken seriously.
NASA Releases 4K Video Of The Moon Ending The Moon Landing Conspiracy - SCIENCE AND SPACE
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Looks photoshopped and made in a hollywood studio to me bro
Go ahead and be a sheep if you want. They lieng
Now let me show you a real science vid filmed by my boy D Marbles from his couch. He breaks
it all down real sciency like.
When a Physicist pulls your moon landing hoax ho card...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBB-ICAFshA
How we know the moon lading wasn't faked...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHt842u_Yw4
I can't belief these nukkas' roped me into this debate. I feel dirty
and I'm certain my IQ has dropped a bit in this thread
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I think everyone here knows I'm a social science researcher and one of the things I work on is the communication of science. This single thread just substantiated several things I've been arguing about with some folks for a couple months so thank you all. I made an ethical vow to never use this forum for research, but it's definitely useful ammunition for demonstrating to colleagues how off base they are about what attracts people to certain information. What most people who study rumors and conspiracies agree on is that they have to be assessed independent of a value judgment on the contents to try to get at what they do for people, whether it's helping them to make sense of things they're alienated from or allowing them to mobilize to challenge established authorities. Several people I know seem to falsely believe that it's a literacy or even intrinsic issue, but to me either explanation gives people less agency.
Something I'll say about flat earth theory is that gravity and relativity don't work the way we understand them at the planetary scale on a non-spherical object. Ergo, no such thing as satellites, no such thing as space shuttles or space stations and certainly no such thing as the Mars rover. We can plainly see the moon line of sight and it too wouldn't have a spherical shape (considering its size and distance) if earth didn't. Also Kron has been to Japan and must have obviously noted he was a day in the future.
So any hypothesis about a flat earth would also have to account for the existence of all of those things, to say nothing of the improbability of an entire planet's worth of governments who often hate each other who would have to collaborate to suppress the truth. But I don't believe anyone cares to do all of that work because claiming "the earth is flat" doesn't mean you literally know or care. It usually means, as
@Masato Toys eloquently put it, that there's a deficit of trust somewhere else.
Something I'll say about flat earth theory is that gravity and relativity don't work the way we understand them at the planetary scale on a non-spherical object. Ergo, no such thing as satellites, no such thing as space shuttles or space stations and certainly no such thing as the Mars rover. We can plainly see the moon line of sight and it too wouldn't have a spherical shape (considering its size and distance) if earth didn't. Also Kron has been to Japan and must have obviously noted he was a day in the future.
So any hypothesis about a flat earth would also have to account for the existence of all of those things, to say nothing of the improbability of an entire planet's worth of governments who often hate each other who would have to collaborate to suppress the truth. But I don't believe anyone cares to do all of that work because claiming "the earth is flat" doesn't mean you literally know or care. It usually means, as
@Masato Toys eloquently put it, that there's a deficit of trust somewhere else.
Excellent post.I think everyone here knows I'm a social science researcher and one of the things I work on is the communication of science. This single thread just substantiated several things I've been arguing about with some folks for a couple months so thank you all. I made an ethical vow to never use this forum for research, but it's definitely useful ammunition for demonstrating to colleagues how off base they are about what attracts people to certain information. What most people who study rumors and conspiracies agree on is that they have to be assessed independent of a value judgment on the contents to try to get at what they do for people, whether it's helping them to make sense of things they're alienated from or allowing them to mobilize to challenge established authorities. Several people I know seem to falsely believe that it's a literacy or even intrinsic issue, but to me either explanation gives people less agency.
Something I'll say about flat earth theory is that gravity and relativity don't work the way we understand them at the planetary scale on a non-spherical object. Ergo, no such thing as satellites, no such thing as space shuttles or space stations and certainly no such thing as the Mars rover. We can plainly see the moon line of sight and it too wouldn't have a spherical shape (considering its size and distance) if earth didn't. Also Kron has been to Japan and must have obviously noted he was a day in the future.
So any hypothesis about a flat earth would also have to account for the existence of all of those things, to say nothing of the improbability of an entire planet's worth of governments who often hate each other who would have to collaborate to suppress the truth. But I don't believe anyone cares to do all of that work because claiming "the earth is flat" doesn't mean you literally know or care. It usually means, as
I think its a little bit of both. I mean I'm about as distrustful of the authorities
as one can get but I still know enough science about the Earth to know
it isn't flat.
I have a buddy that's a flat earther. I mean a really good buddy. Yet he doesn't even
own a telescope. Doesn't even understand that the GPS systems in my telescopes won't
even work if they were based off his views
He's never even taken the time to go out and observe and learn how
the Cosmos actually works yet he lives and dies off quack couch, bro
science youtube vids
It boggles my mind
He's still my boy though. I don't want him anywhere near a classroom
but he's still my boy...
I guess I get annoyed at people who want to have an argument about
Cosmology with me and they don't even own a telescope
Its like they are not even trying to look for real answers and wasting my time
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@Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $ I agree with you that I think a lot of CT comes down to a lack of formal education/ignorance. One thing I get from a lot of CTs is an indignant sense of self-righteousness. It's like they have to prove that their ideas have some academic weight behind them (they don't), but their lack of formal education inhibits them from being able to see that what they're saying makes zero sense. It also prevents them from articulating their argument in a clear way.
Without sounding too much like a snob, I think higher education really does prevent a lot of these wacky ideas from taking hold inside someone's mind. The majority of the CTs you see or hear from are typically not educated in a formal sense.
That explains mostly everything imo.
@Kneeblock thoughts?
I think it has more to do with information seeking behavior (information behavior is what it's formally called). Some people seek information in post-secondary education, some seek it through their networks, and some seek it through their own ad hoc knowledge production methods (googling, YouTube vids, books). The question in each case is what causes someone to grant validity to their particular knowledge production process? Sometimes there are political motivations, sometimes psychological, and sometimes they just don't care very much but need a quick answer so as to be or seem "informed" because of curiosity or social pressure. For example, it is literally never going to matter to Kron Gracie whether the earth is flat or not. He's not going to be a space traveller. So whatever information is close to hand that maps onto his networks and his other ideologies is going to be most useful and not much more cognitive bandwidth will be devoted to the matter because he's got more important things to worry about like not getting punched in the face and choking people out.
One thing I get from a lot of CTs is an indignant sense of self-righteousness. It's like they have to prove that their ideas have some academic weight behind them (they don't), but their lack of formal education inhibits them from being able to see that what they're saying makes zero sense. It also prevents them from articulating their argument in a clear way.
Without sounding too much like a snob, I think higher education really does prevent a lot of these wacky ideas from taking hold inside someone's mind. The majority of the CTs you see or hear from are typically not educated in a formal sense.
That explains mostly everything imo.
I do think a good formal education helps, but it doesn't insulate you from being attracted to or trafficking in disinformation/misinformation. It really depends on what critical thinking capacities you are willing to apply to override your other information desires in the moment.
This is a great post
Pondering what drives a CT person is interesting but also interesting as you say what drives ANYONE to 'seek information', and how we all go about doing this! As you say, many different avenues each with their own benefits and flaws (IMO 'formal' education has its flaws as well).
It is natural and honorable imo for any human to try to find meaning in their existence. just what the heck is going on here? lol where am I? What is life? etc natural questions, any sentient person I think will have a need to attempt to solve some of the questions. The big question however is how much can we actually answer for certain, if any of it?
What drives us? What drives some to cling on to certain info they've found, and what causes others to remain skeptical? What do our constructed worldviews and beliefs mean to us on a life-scale of existence? What causes us to trust some sources but not others when we cannot verify the info for ourselves directly?
How easy is it to manipulate this in others? How much vested interest in both formal (mainstream) and informal manipulation has existed, and still exists?
You also bring up social pressures, that too is interesting. I find a lot of what makes CTers crack is that they discover that what makes sense to them on a personal level is totally at odds with the status quo or 'mainstream' view of things (real or illusory). This is of course a crucial moment in the psyche, either their inner heart and logic are wrong and not to be trusted (scary), or the entire status quo is wrong and not to be trusted (equally scary). The very same thing happens to people who have chosen to trust the status quo when faced with legitimate CT info, it is impossible to consider like regular information because it throws one's sanity into check. I've seen some experiments where people will actually say they believe things they KNOW is wrong just because everyone else in the room (actors for the experiment) is saying the opposite. That is fucking scary imho
Then as I alluded earlier, once a person starts down the mistrust/think-for-myself path, how far down that path will all these factors cause them to go? How much true information built on centuries of collective learning will they be willing to throw out? How do we decide where to draw the line?
really interesting stuff. I'm guilty of being a CT nut for quite some time now, and am recently examining my own evolution through it all, why I seem to be the way I am, how much can we really know, etc.
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Everyone knows that the earth is prism shaped anyway. You guys are ALL stupid.
PS: mic dropping is actually a really lame thing to do
Was hard to know where dude was going for a while though, lol his sarcasm is so dry I couldn't figure out he was actually pro-moon landing until a few minutes in I hope he found his way back home through the woods
That was a pathetic defense by Kaku, but the second vid brought some bigger hits. I disagree with his 400,000 employee bit though, IF it was a fraud, likely very few were in on it. Most employees probably didn't see shit, stuck to their compartmentalized task, collected their checks and enjoyed the ride not even able to conceive of a fraud as they saw it on TV/the whole country believed
Was hard to know where dude was going for a while though, lol his sarcasm is so dry I couldn't figure out he was actually pro-moon landing until a few minutes in
I hope he found his way back home through the woods
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Earth is moving MUCH faster in its orbit than 66.6 MPH.That being said...
That number is fucking ridiculous.
it says 66,600
But I was hoping some of the astronomy guys would confirm or debunk that, lol
What else in those 666's is wrong? I honestly have no idea of any of these figures
disinfo is a bitch, yo
The actual number is > 67k MPH, if you work out the orbit of the Earth has a circle. pi*d/time.it says 66,000
But I was hoping some of the astronomy guys would confirm or debunk that, lol
What else in those 666's is wrong?
Kepler states that all planetary motion is an ellipse, but the eccentricity of the Earth's elliptical orbit is so close to a circle that it's average velocity (which is what you're calculating, unless you give a specific point in the ellipse...blame Kepler again) is going to be slightly more than the 67k MPH of a circle
^ great!
what about the other 666's in that meme?
thanks
(I know a guy who went right overboard at that image, lol)
what about the other 666's in that meme?
thanks
(I know a guy who went right overboard at that image, lol)
The mic drop was a bit much but you gotta have some fun!PS: mic dropping is actually a really lame thing to do
That was a pathetic defense by Kaku, but the second vid brought some bigger hits. I disagree with his 400,000 employee bit though, IF it was a fraud, likely very few were in on it. Most employees probably didn't see shit, stuck to their compartmentalized task, collected their checks and enjoyed the ride not even able to conceive of a fraud as they saw it on TV/the whole country believed
Was hard to know where dude was going for a while though, lol his sarcasm is so dry I couldn't figure out he was actually pro-moon landing until a few minutes in
fuck mic droppers
the only time you could ever do it is if you did something REALLY amazing, like went to the moon. But even then it be stupid.
Don't mic drop fellas.
the only time you could ever do it is if you did something REALLY amazing, like went to the moon. But even then it be stupid.
Don't mic drop fellas.
The celestial equator is at an angle of 66.5 (or 66.6 depending on how you measure/round) to the planetary equator, but you're just comparing arbitrary reference frames. It's not like that angle would be relevant for any calculation or relationship.
It also varies, as the Earth 'wobbles' on its celestial axis.
It also varies, as the Earth 'wobbles' on its celestial axis.
so thise 666's are true?
you're freakin me out
you're freakin me out
Check out some Sacred Geometry and Numerphile vids... They'll trip you outit says 66,600
But I was hoping some of the astronomy guys would confirm or debunk that, lol
What else in those 666's is wrong? I honestly have no idea of any of these figures
disinfo is a bitch, yo
I'm rusty as hell but there are certain numbers that appear over and over
in the earths size, the earths procession, the pyramids and many historical
religious structures.
The rabbit hole certainly goes deep. Look at many of the pictures and sculptures
of Jesus, religious gods and the virgin mary. You'll notice most of them appear
with the Sun and the Vesica Piscis behind them
The Vesica is part of the Flower of Life. It also forms Metatrons Cube
which has dimensions of the earth embedded in it
The Vatican sits on a a giant Vesica as well
The Vesica Piscis explained
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZBdn73iNM
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What do you astronomers make of that the sun and moon are both the same relative size in the sky as seen from the ground?
Coincidence or divine design?
Also if I may pick your brains on some other dumb questions;
Moon is 1/6 gravity of earth, no?
So why does this:
look like a heck of a lot more than 6x this:
?
(nice camera work on that 2nd gif btw)
Coincidence or divine design?
Also if I may pick your brains on some other dumb questions;
Moon is 1/6 gravity of earth, no?
So why does this:
look like a heck of a lot more than 6x this:
?
(nice camera work on that 2nd gif btw)