General 2019 College Football thread

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

@Hauler and to add:

Harbaugh 3-2 against Franklin. 32-12 in Big Ten play. 3-2 vs MSU. 7th in overall winning percentage among all college coaches since he started at UM

And there is this: 1-4 bowl record, 0-5 record vs. OSU, 2-11 vs top 10 teams

His predecessors were like 3-9 and 5-7. Harbaugh has not lived up to expectations, and tOSU is not helping him, but he is not a bum either

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

Odd to see Franklin ranked that high on Feldman's list, he's done great at PSU and he did outstanding at Vandy, but I wouldn't consider him a top 5 coach.

James Franklin, Penn State: This is where things get interesting. The 48-year-old Franklin has done impressive work at his two coaching stops, and both were really, really uphill climbs. At Penn State, he took over a program still reeling from hefty sanctions and thrust into arguably the toughest division in college football. By Year 3, he led the Nittany Lions to a Big Ten title. His team is 42-11 in the past four seasons, and he keeps elevating the talent level. Franklin has yet to lead Penn State to a College Football Playoff spot, but I put him above a few other coaches who have won rings or been to the CFP because of what he also did at his previous coaching spot. He worked wonders at Vanderbilt, leading the Commodores to Top 25 poll finishes in two of his three seasons. Keep in mind, Vandy hadn’t finished in the Top 25 for more than 60 years before Franklin’s arrival. Since he left, Vandy has had six consecutive losing seasons and is 27-47

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

I ain't even mad that Ryan Day isn't on there, but why the fuck is Harbaugh on this list? Dude has been coaching TTUN for 5 years and he has yet to win a big game.

0-5 against the Buckeyes and he's lost 4 bowl games in a row.

"Also, as in the past, I only considered those that have been a head coach for at least two full seasons. Sorry, Ryan Day."

 

[Matrix]

I don't agree with the exact order of their list but they gave reasonable reasons behind their rankings. And all of us would come up with different rankings from each other too.

There’s absolutely no way to defend Jimbo as low as he is on Stewie’s list. He’s won a chip and he’s been at A&M REBUILDING for two seasons. Those two seasons have been arguably the two toughest schedules A&M has ever had. Those lists as a whole are complete garbage. Several things on each list are laughable. You don’t have to defend anything. I obviously not saying you made them. Just that they’re whack. Coach O being that high after one magical season is a joke imo too.

 

[Hauler]

I don't have to but I can give you their reasons:

Bruce Feldman:

18. Jim Harbaugh, Michigan: The most polarizing figure on this list, Harbaugh is 47-18 in his five years back at his alma mater. Yet it feels like a disappointment because of the massive expectations that came when he arrived, and because he hasn’t been able to beat his arch-rival Ohio State, which has blown out the Wolverines the past two years. Overall, he’s 10-14 against Top 25 teams since coming home. It doesn’t feel like Michigan has closed any ground on the Buckeyes, but he’s still done a lot better overall than what the Wolverines had over the previous decade or so. Harbaugh is on this list, though, because of what he did before Michigan — lifting Stanford from being the worst Power 5 program into one that mauled people and won BCS bowls, and for an amazing turnaround job with the 49ers.

Stewart Mandel does not have him in his top 25

I don't see where having Harbaugh 18th is some crime though. In arguably the toughest, at worst the 2nd toughest, division in CFB. Hard to punish him too much for not beating tOSU when pretty much no one beats tOSU, certainly not with any regularity. Like punishing a team in the SEC West for losing to Saban/Alabama. To say Harbaugh is a top 20 coach is pretty reasonable. If wanted to say he is outside the top 25 probably is too.

He's a booger-eating idiot.
If you put Harbaugh on this list, Ryan Day needs to be one spot above him.

 

[Hauler]

"Also, as in the past, I only considered those that have been a head coach for at least two full seasons. Sorry, Ryan Day."

I didn't read that part. Convenient qualifier.

 

[Hauler]

@Hauler and to add:

Harbaugh 3-2 against Franklin. 32-12 in Big Ten play. 3-2 vs MSU. 7th in overall winning percentage among all college coaches since he started at UM

And there is this: 1-4 bowl record, 0-5 record vs. OSU, 2-11 vs top 10 teams

His predecessors were like 3-9 and 5-7. Harbaugh has not lived up to expectations, and tOSU is not helping him, but he is not a bum either

I love that tOSU owns that ass.

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

There’s absolutely no way to defend Jimbo as low as he is on Stewie’s list. He’s won a chip and he’s been at A&M REBUILDING for two seasons. Those two seasons have been arguably the two toughest schedules A&M has ever had. Those lists as a whole are complete garbage. Several things on each list are laughable. You don’t have to defend anything. I obviously not saying you made them. Just that they’re whack. Coach O being that high after one magical season is a joke imo too.

I agree with Coach O being too high

but he gave pretty good reason for Jimbo

his record without Jamis is pretty average. 5-6 his last year at FSU. and he specifically says "For those of you who may be new here, don’t view this list as a career achievement ranking. It is heavily weighted for recent performance (the last three years in particular). In other words, the top 25 coaches as of today."

he also gives plenty of examples of guys who rise and fall based on their recent history. Jimbo could easily be 11-1 this upcoming season and in the top 4 or so next season. 2013 was a long time ago in the world of CFB

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

I didn't read that part. Convenient qualifier.

the qualifier has been there for years, nothing to do with Day. he will be on the list next year

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

He's a booger-eating idiot.
If you put Harbaugh on this list, Ryan Day needs to be one spot above him.

Also, another thing to consider with Harbaugh: look who left CFB recently. again from the article:

"My, has the college coaching landscape changed in a hurry. Only two years ago, this column included the following coaches in the Top 10: Urban Meyer, Chris Petersen, Mark Dantonio, Gary Patterson, David Shaw and Chip Kelly. Three have since retired; TCU’s Patterson and Stanford’s Shaw have not exactly been performing at a Top 10 level recently, and UCLA’s Kelly no longer merits inclusion in any part of the Top 25."

 

[Hauler]

the qualifier has been there for years, nothing to do with Day. he will be on the list next year

He fucking better be or this guy is going to get a very strongly-worded email.
And he better be above the booger-eater.

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

He fucking better be or this guy is going to get a very strongly-worded email.
And he better be above the booger-eater.

lol unless something drastic happens this year I have zero doubt Day will be in the top 5ish and above Harbaugh

 

[Hauler]

lol unless something drastic happens this year I have zero doubt Day will be in the top 5ish and above Harbaugh

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

@Matrix and Jimbo probably should be higher than 13th but if only looking at last few seasons, as Stewart says he is, then it is not a travesty. Every coach above has accomplished more. I know, the schedule is brutal. But 5-6 was not that schedule. But even looking just at Stewart's top 13 and focusing primarily on recent history it would be hard to put him higher than 10th? That is a stout top 9 he has there

 

[Matrix]

I agree with Coach O being too high

but he gave pretty good reason for Jimbo

his record without Jamis is pretty average. 5-6 his last year at FSU. and he specifically says "For those of you who may be new here, don’t view this list as a career achievement ranking. It is heavily weighted for recent performance (the last three years in particular). In other words, the top 25 coaches as of today."

he also gives plenty of examples of guys who rise and fall based on their recent history. Jimbo could easily be 11-1 this upcoming season and in the top 4 or so next season. 2013 was a long time ago in the world of CFB

FSU was a dumpster fire and we’ve all seen what that school has done since. Jimbo obviously threw the towel in that last year after the QB went down. What he’s done at A&M with Sumlins crew against these last two schedules is pretty realistic. Not sure many coaches could’ve done much better tbh. This year is the year but the list is shit. Stop defending it if you don’t need to defend it.

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

I fucking hate tOSU

a smidge less since the piece of shit Urban quit on them but still hate tOSU

Florida, Auburn, USCe are all above them on my hate list. But tOSU is probably 4th or 5th

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

FSU was a dumpster fire and we’ve all seen what that school has done since. Jimbo obviously threw the towel in that last year after the QB went down. What he’s done at A&M with Sumlins crew against these last two schedules is pretty realistic. Not sure many coaches could’ve done much better tbh. This year is the year but the list is shit. Stop defending it if you don’t need to defend it.

"Not sure many coaches could’ve done much better tbh"

I dunno. he did not win a single game they were supposed to lose. did not lose a game they were supposed to win. nothing special there

"Stop defending it if you don’t need to defend it"

oh yes massa, sorry massa, thought it was a discussion board massa.

 

[Hauler]

I fucking hate tOSU

a smidge less since the piece of shit Urban quit on them but still hate tOSU

Florida, Auburn, USCe are all above them on my hate list. But tOSU is probably 4th or 5th

You love having me here though. Admit it.

 

[Matrix]

"Not sure many coaches could’ve done much better tbh"

"Stop defending it if you don’t need to defend it"

oh yes massa, sorry massa, thought it was a discussion board massa.

We’re you not the one saying you don’t need to defend it? Lol I could’ve sworn you said JUST THAT..

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

You love having me here though. Admit it.

true, but @Wild is still better looking. just ask him, he'll tell you

 

[Matrix]

@Matrix and Jimbo probably should be higher than 13th but if only looking at last few seasons, as Stewart says he is, then it is not a travesty. Every coach above has accomplished more. I know, the schedule is brutal. But 5-6 was not that schedule. But even looking just at Stewart's top 13 and focusing primarily on recent history it would be hard to put him higher than 10th? That is a stout top 9 he has there

There’s several coaches on that list that no one in their right mind would put there and you know it.

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

We’re you not the one saying you don’t need to defend it? Lol I could’ve sworn you said JUST THAT..

that was Harbaugh and being asked to defend

which, I still gave my thoughts on.

Jimbo comes out and wins 8games this year and the list is right. he wins 11 and he shoots up. it'll fluctuate. just like with Ferentz on that list.

 

[Hauler]

true, but @Wild is still better looking. just ask him, he'll tell you

Except he's not.
And Louisville fucking sucks.

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

Except he's not.
And Louisville fucking sucks.

Da 'Ville does suck.

I was at their game vs Clemson the season Lamar won the Heisman and that is a top 4-5 gameday environment I have ever been at.

 

[Fan_of_Fanboys]

^ from that game. I am the one with the beautiful dick