General Corona virus updates

[Zeph]

I don't think we can spend too much energy on going retro.

I keep hearing there are far more flu cases and it kills more people. But we don't allow it to shut our country down.

We have to focus on going forward, getting out of this situation as best we can.

I believe the start to that is available testing. Companies already drug test people before they can go to work. If a company wants to open up. Let's start it off by allowing them to test workers and have them sign that they will only travel to and from work until the shelter in place is lifted. They won't have to be tested again unless they have symptoms or a known contact with the virus. And have other public routes of obtaining the test for others. You should be able to walk into any clinic or doctor's office and get tested just like the flu test.

There are more flu cases and it kills more people because we are social distancing. There would be vastly more Covid-19 deaths if we didn't. The normal flu has an infection rate of 1.4 and Covid-19 has a rate of 3. That means if you get the flu and infect 1.4 people, and then they infect 1.4 people, then follow that course for a total of 10 times there will be 14 people with the flu. If you do that with Covid-19 there will be 59k cases.

 

[Rambo John J]

With the economy completely shut down, cost is irrelevant IMO. We already spent $2 trillion we don't have.

we are getting to hyper inflation levels if we aren't already there

the market may recover and rise well above previous highs.....but your dollar won't be worth nearly what it was before the bailouts

Started after the 2008 crash and is just getting worse and worse

Could get nasty

 

[Rambo John J]

Everything is open here except bars and restaurants barbers etc.B.C. published a list a mile long of essential services yesterday and the premier said if you can go to work you should go to work.it is business as usual. No lockdown here

that is great to hear

 

[Zeph]

I'd like to read about that. You got a link or do I have to work for it?

Japan Confirms First Case of COVID-19 Reinfection

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

@Lars

 

[Zeph]

There was a chinese one too where they died.

 

[Hauler]

we are getting to hyper inflation levels if we aren't already there

the market may recover and rise well above previous highs.....but your dollar won't be worth nearly what it was before the bailouts

Started after the 2008 crash and is just getting worse and worse

Could get nasty

The US Dollar is smoke and mirrors.
Has been for a long, long time.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Japan Confirms First Case of COVID-19 Reinfection

It's worth noting that from a month ago.

 

[so long]

is that you in the avatar you wild man?
hahah good stuff

Yes it actually is. With my quarantine haircut

I have shaved it all off, though, - to Fedor-levels. I figured, I won't be be a to go to the barber anytime soom, so might as well get it over with sooner rather than later so it grows back quicker.

 

[Yossarian]

For every 1% unemployment in USA there are approximately 1,500 deaths

worth thinking about

Movie the Big Short claimed 40,000 per 1% but that was an exaggeration
Do 40,000 people die in the United States for every 1% increase in unemployment?


also worth thinking about...

-Domestic Violence during lockdown
-Divorce Rates(some relationships will flourish, and some will fail as partners see how much they don't enjoy their spouses for various reasons...addictions coming to light, simply not getting along, cheating becomes obvious, etc..)
-Sexual Abuse

I am sure there is more but there are certainly gonna be some interesting consequences and statistics that will arise from lockdown.


All part of the equation IMO

All these other things aren't infectious.

 

[so long]

There was a chinese one too where they died.

I gave you the like for the information, not because I liked that s.o. got fucked up.

I had heard the same thing feom China some time ago as well :/

 

[Rambo John J]

The US Dollar is smoke and mirrors.
Has been for a long, long time.

ya saying 2008 was being very generous

Market is great if you get out when you are ahead
But property and things you can actually touch and use are real value IMO

 

[Rambo John J]

It's worth noting that from a month ago.

maybe recovered from treatment and not antibodies
1 or 2 cases of that is certainly an outlier

 

[Rambo John J]

All these other things aren't infectious.

No sir
They are not

But they are real consequences

Some folks are gonna be in a bad way very soon as they lose their businesses and houses they are over their head on...and some of them will never recover from this lockdown, financially and health wise. I know folks who took their lives after businesses, families, jobs, and houses disappeared.

I only bring them up because they are part of the equation.

While not biologically contagious...They can be spread from the cycle of that behavior thru generations, that isn't a good thing.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

maybe recovered from treatment and not antibodies
1 or 2 cases of that is certainly an outlier

Or maybe some people just have shit luck like people who get chickenpox more than once. It's something that needs to be investigated, but shouldn't be given out as fact.

 

[Shinkicker]

There are more flu cases and it kills more people because we are social distancing. There would be vastly more Covid-19 deaths if we didn't. The normal flu has an infection rate of 1.4 and Covid-19 has a rate of 3. That means if you get the flu and infect 1.4 people, and then they infect 1.4 people, then follow that course for a total of 10 times there will be 14 people with the flu. If you do that with Covid-19 there will be 59k cases.

Maybe mass testing could get that number down?

And mass production of masks. Everyone should wear a mask when going out. When you get home take the mask off and wash your hands.

 

[Rambo John J]

Is that rate of 3 so high because we are only testing the sick?

Maybe mass testing could get that number down?

And mass production of masks. Everyone should wear a mask when going out. When you get home take the mask off and wash your hands.

I can't get a mask.

Governor is hoarding them for medical...rightfully so IMO.

But I cannot get a mask locally.

 

[Filthy]

compared to some of the numbers being reported around the world(3.4% 8% 15%) and in this thread it is hopeful

I take that 1.4% number with a grain of salt like I do all of the numbers being reported, I think it is lower than 1.4%

this is the age of information wars

Even if the death rate is lower than 1.4%

a) that's still a lot of people
b) it doesn't count the people who die that would have lived if there was normal hospital loading

 

[Shinkicker]

I can't get a mask.

Governor is hoarding them for medical...rightfully so IMO.

But I cannot get a mask locally.

Get your sewing kit out.

 

[Splinty]

When somebody has antibodies and has immunitized himself/herself from a virus, can you still carry it over to somebody else?

Say I positively test Corona and have succesfully recovered, can I go visit my parents without problems?
I would guess not, because I can still carry it on myself??
Thanks a lot!

Your guess would be wrong then.
If you develop IgG antibodies to the virus And don't have IGM antibodies, yes you could after you're outside of the allotted viral shedding time.

The only exception to this would be if we see people lose this immunity over time but that is not something you should bank on. You can't make policy on that because it isn't common that you lose it that quickly in any other disease And if you suddenly lose immunity after one or two weeks then there isn't a point in testing anything or locking down or anything else.

 

[Zeph]

Maybe mass testing could get that number down?

And mass production of masks. Everyone should wear a mask when going out. When you get home take the mask off and wash your hands.

Sure. Everything you do will bring that down.

 

[Rambo John J]

Even if the death rate is lower than 1.4%

a) that's still a lot of people
b) it doesn't count the people who die that would have lived if there was normal hospital loading

yes it is a lot of people
yes that is true

It was just a study I posted, wasn't saying it was amazing news...I don't even think there are many accurate numbers right now. I already said as much last night as you know.

I do know in some locations there are overloaded hospitals with many people with similar symptoms. That is real and concerning.

Some hospitals are empty and laying people off for now because of no elective procedures.

 

[Rambo John J]

Get your sewing kit out.

My lady already made some, they are pretty sweet.
I am not exposing myself to anyone though so not wearing one...yet.

I was just saying I can't locally purchase one.

Some people can't sew for shit...But they should probably use a bandana or something like that.

 

[Shinkicker]

My lady already made some, they are pretty sweet.
I am not exposing myself to anyone though so not wearing one...yet.

I was just saying I can't locally purchase one.

Some people can't sew for shit...But they should probably use a bandana or something like that.

Anything is better than nothing.

 

[Rambo John J]

Your guess would be wrong then.
If you develop IgG antibodies to the virus And don't have IGM antibodies, yes you could after you're outside of the allotted viral shedding time.

The only exception to this would be if we see people lose this immunity over time but that is not something you should bank on. You can't make policy on that because it isn't common that you lose it that quickly in any other disease And if you suddenly lose immunity after one or two weeks then there isn't a point in testing anything or locking down or anything else.

the antibody test would really shed some light

folks like my parents who both lost smell in december/january could be tested and it would help establish a timeline and all that other good stuff

Those tests take a long time to become available I would bet. How long do you think until those?...or is that answer not in your wheelhouse.