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silentsinger

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I'm not saying you do. But look at the two countries who you have brought up being accused of fudging their numbers. What do they have in common? Not exactly best buddies with our governments. And maybe they are fudging their numbers - I wouldn't doubt it for a second. However, the Daily Mail reporting that some unnamed random dude told them about some urns is not evidence. If we are trying to sniff out bullshit, let's start with potential bullshit we are being fed.
Matey, seriously I'm embarrassed that I use Daily Maily as a news source. I'm honest in my terrible news income.
I have Iranian family (yeah yeah I have black friends rubbish) so I didn't want to slag Iran off, but it's fucking odd.
 

Splinty

Shake 'em off
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F1 team helps to create coronavirus breathing aid

Not clear this is just CPAP or a more complicated version of the same thing called BiPAP.
Either way, this is always thought of as an "external ventilator" in terms of severity of your patient.

We are being told to avoid using this type of device. It aerosolizes the respiratory droplets and the patients that need support are crashing relatively quickly according to the Seattle intensivitists. Early intubation is the guidance so far for patient care and to not contaminate your whole staff.

I will be watching this but this is against the guidance we are getting here in the USA.

They make small reference to this here:

But a note of caution was sounded by Duncan Young, Prof of Intensive Care Medicine, University of Oxford, who said: "The use of CPAP machines in patients with contagious respiratory infections is somewhat controversial as any small leaks round the mask could spray droplets of secretions on to attending clinical staff."

Prof Mervyn Singer said if a tight seal is maintained on the mask or, even better, a helmet is worn, and clinical staff have adequate personal protective equipment (PPE) then this risk would be minimised.

More than 2,000 Covid-19 patients are receiving CPAP on general wards in Lombardy.
 

FINGERS

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Nov 14, 2019
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F1 team helps to create coronavirus breathing aid

Not clear this is just CPAP or a more complicated version of the same thing called BiPAP.
Either way, this is always thought of as an "external ventilator" in terms of severity of your patient.

We are being told to avoid using this type of device. It aerosolizes the respiratory droplets and the patients that need support are crashing relatively quickly according to the Seattle intensivitists. Early intubation is the guidance so far for patient care and to not contaminate your whole staff.

I will be watching this but this is against the guidance we are getting here in the USA.

They make small reference to this here:

I don't know if this alleviates the problem but on tv today they were saying the tube doesn't go as far down. It's less invasive so maybe the mask can fit on tighter?
 

tang

top korean roofer
Oct 21, 2015
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That it is. It doesn't mean it's always a lie.
sure, but there's too many evidence that lead towards that they're hiding something.

the CCP has plenty of reason to hide the true numbers, not to mention their effort to deflect attention by blaming other countries and putting out false intel like it was created elsewhere.

the first Doctor that tried to warn everyone was jailed
all of their whistle blowers are dead
the messages from their citizens speak for itself, no other country's citizens do that. I mean they do but it's usually when their own government is hiding something

and they do have an ability to block all social media traffic

Communists don't fuck around, still, compared to N.Korea, China is gentleman
 

Splinty

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I don't know if this alleviates the problem but on tv today they were saying the tube doesn't go as far down. It's less invasive so maybe the mask can fit on tighter?
No tube. Just a high pressure mask strapped to the face. This is a common intermediate device for a patient that needs some temporary support trying to keep them from being intubated (tube down airway).
Patients regularly mess with them and leaks happen anyways with major risk to aerosolize the droplets and make them temporarily act like an airborne disease contaminating far distances in the patients room, including staff if they aren't suited up with an n95 or greater.

They make reference to a helmet. This is seen in Italy for just increased oxygen but I've not used these plastic helmets in the USA. That would help. You put a cover over the entire head so any leaks spray and contain in the bubble over their head. We don't have these and I'm not sure we are ordering them.
 

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
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Trump's game of making a lofty claim and hoping someone rises to his demands only to fall back when no one does, is doing us NO favors.
Kind of like the claim there will be zero deaths... now 100,000 deaths will be a good job by his administration.
 

tang

top korean roofer
Oct 21, 2015
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I'm not saying you do. But look at the two countries who you have brought up being accused of fudging their numbers. What do they have in common? Not exactly best buddies with our governments. And maybe they are fudging their numbers - I wouldn't doubt it for a second. However, the Daily Mail reporting that some unnamed random dude told them about some urns is not evidence. If we are trying to sniff out bullshit, let's start with potential bullshit we are being fed.
other countries are calling out the CCP as well about their false claims.

plenty of other videos other than the urns, like around January, there was suspicions already because when they interviewed the rep from the crematory, they say they're burning bodies all day and night, and each day, they could cremate about 500, and this was the time only reported numbers were barely making 4 digits. and interview was only from one crematory.

and look at how they treat their citizens, straight like animals
 

FINGERS

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No tube. Just a high pressure mask strapped to the face. This is a common intermediate device for a patient that needs some temporary support trying to keep them from being intubated (tube down airway).
Patients regularly mess with them and leaks happen anyways with major risk to aerosolize the droplets and make them temporarily act like an airborne disease contaminating far distances in the patients room, including staff if they aren't suited up with an n95 or greater.

They make reference to a helmet. This is seen in Italy for just increased oxygen but I've not used these plastic helmets in the USA. That would help. You put a cover over the entire head so any leaks spray and contain in the bubble over their head. We don't have these and I'm not sure we are ordering them.

I was half listening just heard it was less invasive.

It's a new design apparently.

I suspect it's going to be used on less severely affected patients. They are to go into production at the end of the week and are looking to make a thousand a day. It doesn't sound a lot but they are intended to be used at the new temporary hospitals with 4k to 5k of beds

In pictures: NHS Nightingale Hospital London

Looking at the set up they may be an asset.

As all the bad journalists say.

Time will tell.
 

ThatOneDude

Commander in @Chief, Dick Army
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Jan 14, 2015
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yes that chinese canadian CCP progandist account that spends her time making music
Oh, you've fallen for it....no wonder you like the idea of welding people into their homes so much.
Keep on keeping on comrade.
 

Zeph

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Jan 22, 2015
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Hey, maybe, just maybe, China is morally gray rather than straight evil, or you can just keep believing the propaganda you get fed by the orange man and your 'news' media.
 
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Hey, maybe, just maybe, China is morally gray rather than straight evil, or you can just keep believing the propaganda you get fed by the orange man and your 'news' media.

Everyone loved the quarantine so much, it’s why they’re rioting on that bridge.