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Filthy

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That's the problem I'm having is weighing the loss of life vs shutting the country down, collapsing our economy, fucking over millions of ppl and many many small businesses for what? To save how many lives maybe?
And what happens after this? How often are we gona be shutting everything down?
If there was 400,000 dead now I'd say ok this is huge everyone stay inside. But ppl are not even staying inside. I go to the park and it is packed....Lowe's is packed....dollar tree is packed. Everyone is showing up at my job. If this was dangerous it should be really bad now.
This seems like a joke to me so far. We are trading freedom for some possible safety
/Rant
by the time it's 400k dead, in 3 days there are another 800k dead. 3 days after that another 1.6M are dead...that's how 3-day doubling works.
our curve is 97.5% aligned with an R^2 curve. That's really really bad.
 

Too swole to control

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by the time it's 400k dead, in 3 days there are another 800k dead. 3 days after that another 1.6M are dead...that's how 3-day doubling works.
our curve is 97.5% aligned with an R^2 curve. That's really really bad.
If that curve is true why am I standing at work. About to go rent a car and then going to Lowe's w my mom?
 

Filthy

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If that curve is true why am I standing at work. About to go rent a car and then going to Lowe's w my mom?
because we're on the very very teeny tiny start of the uptick of that curve.

if you treat it like a Big Deal, soon enough, it almost certainly won't be a Big Deal.
but we didn't, and now it's a last ditch effort to minimize how Big of a Deal it becomes.

EDIT to add:

85% of the people who spread the disease have no, or only mild, symptoms. But in two weeks, 5% of the people they come in to contact with every day will be in serious or critical care at a hospital.
 
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The death numbers are low, the growth rate isn't and is a serious concern, along with the capacity to treat potential cases.

Around 60% of the population observing social distancing standards is needed to curb the exponential growth of infection rate, dependant on the capability to treat serious cases within the health service.

Your country isn't shut down, it is operating at bare minimum.

A total shut down could occur if you didn't implement social distancing though, if this virus spread to its maximum capability.

What does 18 months have to do with right now?

It has been 2 weeks max in the U.S, with the potential for another 4, is avoiding social contact for that long not worth thousands of lives saved and avoiding a potential health system overload?
The voice of reason.

You're wasting your time with this guy (he'll never get it), but hopefully others who might be mildly skeptical read your post.
 

Too swole to control

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Or Wendy's or McDonald's or Arby's or taco Bell or the pizza place or Exxon gas stations or Sunoco or car mechanics. Man they all just dumb as shit huh? And the government who said they can all stay open. What a bunch of dumb shits who don't get it. But you guys do
 

Too swole to control

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My grammas nursing home costs $5000 a month. What will happen when ppl lose their small business and can't afford to keep Grammy Inna care facility
 

Rambo John J

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how are you going to measure that cost?
suicides
quality of life because millions loses homes, businesses...
family abuse of various types due to stress etc...
crime
mental health
etc...

hundreds of different ways

It most certainly is part of the equation and deserves consideration

could turn densely populated areas into a ticking time bomb

not downplaying the virus or how easily it can be spread, just pointing out the rarely discussed repercussions of the lockdown

some businesses are already dusted...and many more will go out of business as confidence will never be restored and they will go under due to overhead(health care is included in this, system will be decimated by a long shutdown)

It's tricky
 

Filthy

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Jun 28, 2016
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suicides
quality of life because millions loses homes, businesses...
family abuse of various types due to stress etc...
crime
mental health
etc...

hundreds of different ways

It most certainly is part of the equation and deserves consideration

could turn densely populated areas into a ticking time bomb

not downplaying the virus or how easily it can be spread, just pointing out the rarely discussed repercussions of the lockdown

some businesses are already dusted...and many more will go out of business as confidence will never be restored and they will go under due to overhead(health care is included in this, system will be decimated by a long shutdown)

It's tricky
if you don't have a method to measure how many are due to the economic slow-down, then it can be estimated but not measured.

Estimates are that Italy's death count is twice the measured.
 

Rambo John J

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if you don't have a method to measure how many are due to the economic slow-down, then it can be estimated but not measured.
That doesn't mean it isn't real.

Some deaths are being attributed to corona that may have died anyways...so the measuring methods are tricky on both sides of the ledger.

I merely think it is part of the larger equation and worth thinking about.


You and I are in a different situation than a lot of people...we can still work and weren't totally unprepared for shit hitting the fan.
 

BenAskrensStrikingcoach

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by the time it's 400k dead, in 3 days there are another 800k dead. 3 days after that another 1.6M are dead...that's how 3-day doubling works.
our curve is 97.5% aligned with an R^2 curve. That's really really bad.
Got in ahead of me, at 400k deaths it is way too late for social isolation to have any effect, we'd be in complete melt down mode at that stage.

The issue should be with why the government wasn't ready with ventilators, test kits and a uniform message across the entire country along with an earlier social distancing strategy being put place.

If adequate testing was performed early and the positive cases contact traced for the period of shedding the lockdown is a lot shorter and control of infection numbers a lot less costly and more effective, lets you push it back into the home enviornment for and out of the community without a lockdown, or shorter period of time on lockdown.

That is pretty much what South Korea did, they seem to be the bench mark for dealing with the virus quickly and efficently, but they had a 94% compliance rate, a populace who signed some of their rights away in order to be tracked more closely by their government, due to their last outbreak of SARS, built in social distancing during normal flu season and a mask wearing culture.
 

Filthy

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8 convicted sex offenders
3 convicted child rapists(I don't need to know more than that)

they have ankle bracelets
were the child rapists statutory rapists?

do you know the recidivism rate for sex offenders? (I'm full of unpopular policy positions) :)