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@Splinty “There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield said in an interview with The Washington Post. “And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”
“We’re going to have the flu epidemic and the coronavirus epidemic at the same time,” he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/21/coronavirus-secondwave-cdcdirector/
That's my continued worry. Maybe this thing is spreading fast enough to buffer some immunity or we get some big treatment breakthroughs, but I'll be shocked if this doesn't make the winter season insane.
“There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield said in an interview with The Washington Post. “And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”
“We’re going to have the flu epidemic and the coronavirus epidemic at the same time,” he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/21/coronavirus-secondwave-cdcdirector/
@angryaustralianwithanewname says they are having their flu season now with covid19
As long as there's no 3rd wave. Japan only sent 2 waves, and you see how that worked out for them.
“There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield said in an interview with The Washington Post. “And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”
“We’re going to have the flu epidemic and the coronavirus epidemic at the same time,” he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/21/coronavirus-secondwave-cdcdirector/
Is the experiment working?
Sweden Official: Coronavirus Strategy of Keeping the Country Open Seems To Be Working
Some important details...
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1251975971131006983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1251975971131006983&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fsweden-official-coronavirus-strategy-keeping-country-open-seems-working%2F
Can't apply this to such denser areas, but it does support things like a heterogeneous reopening where rural areas may remain at lower risk than urban areas, despite limited resources. Also
@Disciplined Galt might tell us how social Swedes are in day to day life. They might very well distance better regardless.
Sweden Official: Coronavirus Strategy of Keeping the Country Open Seems To Be Working
Some important details...
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1251975971131006983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1251975971131006983&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fsweden-official-coronavirus-strategy-keeping-country-open-seems-working%2F
Can't apply this to such denser areas, but it does support things like a heterogeneous reopening where rural areas may remain at lower risk than urban areas, despite limited resources. Also
@Disciplined Galt might tell us how social Swedes are in day to day life. They might very well distance better regardless.
Swedes live alone more and move out of their parents' house (losers) at rates you don't see anywhere else in the western world.Is the experiment working?
Sweden Official: Coronavirus Strategy of Keeping the Country Open Seems To Be Working
Some important details...
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1251975971131006983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1251975971131006983&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fsweden-official-coronavirus-strategy-keeping-country-open-seems-working%2F
Can't apply this to such denser areas, but it does support things like a heterogeneous reopening where rural areas may remain at lower risk than urban areas, despite limited resources. Also
They should be nailing containment. That they are NOT nailing containment compared to the other Nordics is all the evidence you need not to try their approach in denser, more populated countries with more clustered housing situtations. It would be a fucking disaster, for most places to try the Swedish approach, quite obviously.
Sweden is the reverse New Zealand of the coronavirus crisis. They had massive advantages that they squandered.
That said, while many factors are important, once community transmission takes hold, density seems to be king. So yes, some places in the US should be able to open up soon without much risk. But we already knew that - basing it off Sweden's example is a terrible idea.
the real test of the Swedish strategy will be in the winter. I hope it works for them, but I don't know that it would work as well here.Is the experiment working?
Sweden Official: Coronavirus Strategy of Keeping the Country Open Seems To Be Working
Some important details...
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1251975971131006983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1251975971131006983&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fsweden-official-coronavirus-strategy-keeping-country-open-seems-working%2F
Can't apply this to such denser areas, but it does support things like a heterogeneous reopening where rural areas may remain at lower risk than urban areas, despite limited resources. Also
Middle eastern and North African immigrants are over represented in the death toll, presumably due to a predilection of hanging in large groups across generations.Is the experiment working?
Sweden Official: Coronavirus Strategy of Keeping the Country Open Seems To Be Working
Some important details...
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1251975971131006983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1251975971131006983&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fsweden-official-coronavirus-strategy-keeping-country-open-seems-working%2F
Can't apply this to such denser areas, but it does support things like a heterogeneous reopening where rural areas may remain at lower risk than urban areas, despite limited resources. Also
I'm not going to quote them
@Splinty , but the video of the ER nurse, thoughts:
I'm no expert in RT-PCR tests, but everything I've followed this past couple months or so leads me closer what I initially thought: "this is a hybrid", "they don't release something they can't control", "it is the most dangerousviru disease(event) since the Spanish Flu"(by way of RO COMBINED with pharma-control, and what comes as a result of), as we've gone past the point of no return when it comes to social brainwashing, and tied to that, the possibility that the "virus" in its pure form has yet to be isolated, if so, purposefully.
Which means that RT-PCR test could be giving us the same results as standing next to a pool while a tub of lard does a cannonball in it while it's raining.
We got wet, but we're still unclear why.
Or we're all dry, and don't know it, until...oh idk...let's say 2022.
And we continue to parrot the ideas of "summer letup" ,"herd immunity" and "vaccine in a year or 3", which in itself implies *this is a invasive and separate event*, and here's the cure, just wait and obey.
Inherently then society has accepted, exactly like Osama Bin Laden and the Twin Towers, Timothy McVeigh & OKC, Gulf of Tonkin & Vietnam, WMD's & Iraq, JFK/Lee Harvey Oswald and on, that the government knows what or who this is and the people should trust the coming "cure", which is societal poison, every, single, time.
What
@Disciplined Galt said a few hundred pages and was scoffed at for:, "I don't know what this is but it ain't that" is gaining more and more traction when we see ER's were never madhouses for extended periods, the oddities of symptoms ranging from toe bunyans & rashes to bladder infections & seizures before an hypoxic death, and permanent organ & body damage to anyone infected.
Two particular social events stand out in my mind that, like COVID-19, the public still believes today, which takes me right back to Frank Plummer.
First the belief that the bubonic plague was the feces of rat lice, the other that HIV caused AIDS.
One might say 'it doesn't really matter which one it was, you got wet'.
Well ultimately, yeah, but....if you can control the weather it sure the fuck does matter, a lot.
Not since AIDS was something more propagated biologically, and guess who your head of misinformation then was when he knew the truth and made bank (and power) for big pharma at the expense of human suffering?
This freakin rockstar, whom TIME Magazine just tried to make the sexiest man alive...
Concurrently masks have become bad, good, and bad again.
IV Vitamin C which was FIRST used 3 miles from me, then seemingly gone entirely from the internet in favor of remdesivir & Tylenol, has now become bad again, then good again, and now a non-issue.
And now as the Spanish Flu, Vitamin sunshine is key, BUT EVERYONE STAY INDOORS, & "social distancing" is a new buzzword for a society already detached from society, while Vitamin D just turned bad again.
We ran out of masks= masks bad
We're out of Vitamin C= Vitamin C bad
We're out of Vitamin D= Vitamin D bad
The best control experiments being conducted are on society, not patients.
"Another Stanford study shows hydroxychloroquine & Zpacks show zero production"
Really?
Did you mention the Zinc necessary for that study to show promising results?
No.
Selenium?
No.
Lysine?
No.
And who has that gigantic stockpile uner wraps of hydroxycloroquine we've known about for 3 gawtdamn months but act surprised when we here of there societal OUTLANDISH approach.
So, we know exactly what?
Something very dangerous is "revealing itself" across the globe.
It's killing people, it's killing economies, Trump Jr.(Boris), Iranian OFFICIALS & "whistleblowers" were among the high profile to present, and sometimes pass.
We know it's damaging to our cells & seems to be everywhere.
It seems to separate FE from hemoglobin so the O2 dematerializes no matter how much oxygen you get.
And we know you can treat it for $20 & Azithromycin as long as you don't get it from a fish tank, don't take associated common vitamins, stay the fuck away from everyone, don't leave the narrative, leave it to the governments of the world who've been historically amazing, and it came from bat soup, but can't be transferred from animals or food.
And to sweeten the deal, while you're locked up and unable to peacably protest without being called a conspiritard, we're gonna pass some nefarious controversial bills, pump 6 trillion dollars of digital toilet paper into our richest guys, and rollout a biological weapon in every school that presents the same symptoms as5g. COVID-19
Oh, and guns and gardens are non-essential items, and exosomes are everywhere, deliver, same size, and look just like "corona".
@Splinty , but the video of the ER nurse, thoughts:I'm no expert in RT-PCR tests, but everything I've followed this past couple months or so leads me closer what I initially thought: "this is a hybrid", "they don't release something they can't control", "it is the most dangerous
Which means that RT-PCR test could be giving us the same results as standing next to a pool while a tub of lard does a cannonball in it while it's raining.
We got wet, but we're still unclear why.
Or we're all dry, and don't know it, until...oh idk...let's say 2022.
And we continue to parrot the ideas of "summer letup" ,"herd immunity" and "vaccine in a year or 3", which in itself implies *this is a invasive and separate event*, and here's the cure, just wait and obey.
Inherently then society has accepted, exactly like Osama Bin Laden and the Twin Towers, Timothy McVeigh & OKC, Gulf of Tonkin & Vietnam, WMD's & Iraq, JFK/Lee Harvey Oswald and on, that the government knows what or who this is and the people should trust the coming "cure", which is societal poison, every, single, time.
What
@Disciplined Galt said a few hundred pages and was scoffed at for:, "I don't know what this is but it ain't that" is gaining more and more traction when we see ER's were never madhouses for extended periods, the oddities of symptoms ranging from toe bunyans & rashes to bladder infections & seizures before an hypoxic death, and permanent organ & body damage to anyone infected.Two particular social events stand out in my mind that, like COVID-19, the public still believes today, which takes me right back to Frank Plummer.
First the belief that the bubonic plague was the feces of rat lice, the other that HIV caused AIDS.
One might say 'it doesn't really matter which one it was, you got wet'.
Well ultimately, yeah, but....if you can control the weather it sure the fuck does matter, a lot.
Not since AIDS was something more propagated biologically, and guess who your head of misinformation then was when he knew the truth and made bank (and power) for big pharma at the expense of human suffering?
This freakin rockstar, whom TIME Magazine just tried to make the sexiest man alive...
Concurrently masks have become bad, good, and bad again.
IV Vitamin C which was FIRST used 3 miles from me, then seemingly gone entirely from the internet in favor of remdesivir & Tylenol, has now become bad again, then good again, and now a non-issue.
And now as the Spanish Flu, Vitamin sunshine is key, BUT EVERYONE STAY INDOORS, & "social distancing" is a new buzzword for a society already detached from society, while Vitamin D just turned bad again.
We ran out of masks= masks bad
We're out of Vitamin C= Vitamin C bad
We're out of Vitamin D= Vitamin D bad
The best control experiments being conducted are on society, not patients.
"Another Stanford study shows hydroxychloroquine & Zpacks show zero production"
Really?
Did you mention the Zinc necessary for that study to show promising results?
No.
Selenium?
No.
Lysine?
No.
And who has that gigantic stockpile uner wraps of hydroxycloroquine we've known about for 3 gawtdamn months but act surprised when we here of there societal OUTLANDISH approach.
So, we know exactly what?
Something very dangerous is "revealing itself" across the globe.
It's killing people, it's killing economies, Trump Jr.(Boris), Iranian OFFICIALS & "whistleblowers" were among the high profile to present, and sometimes pass.
We know it's damaging to our cells & seems to be everywhere.
It seems to separate FE from hemoglobin so the O2 dematerializes no matter how much oxygen you get.
And we know you can treat it for $20 & Azithromycin as long as you don't get it from a fish tank, don't take associated common vitamins, stay the fuck away from everyone, don't leave the narrative, leave it to the governments of the world who've been historically amazing, and it came from bat soup, but can't be transferred from animals or food.
And to sweeten the deal, while you're locked up and unable to peacably protest without being called a conspiritard, we're gonna pass some nefarious controversial bills, pump 6 trillion dollars of digital toilet paper into our richest guys, and rollout a biological weapon in every school that presents the same symptoms as
Oh, and guns and gardens are non-essential items, and exosomes are everywhere, deliver, same size, and look just like "corona".
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I might be missing something, but ..... can you explain how it's working, if:Is the experiment working?
Sweden Official: Coronavirus Strategy of Keeping the Country Open Seems To Be Working
Some important details...
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1251975971131006983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1251975971131006983&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fsweden-official-coronavirus-strategy-keeping-country-open-seems-working%2F
Can't apply this to such denser areas, but it does support things like a heterogeneous reopening where rural areas may remain at lower risk than urban areas, despite limited resources. Also
"Critics have pointed out that Sweden has had a significantly higher death rate — at 118 per one million people — than the surrounding Nordic nations of Norway, Finland and Denmark."
It has the same land mass as Finland (?) and deaths are significantly higher. It is working according to the projected models or according to the deaths being lower than they expected despite being higher than similar regions?
Two things hurt my brain about this:
1) The most absurd thing about the whole Sweden approach is that everyone, including the Swedish government and sympathetic media, keeps calling it in an experiment. It's not an experiment. Experiments have proper controls. Judging 'success' against a predictive model that someone pulled out of their anus is not in any way scientific.
2) And more importantly, how in the utter fuck are people declaring Sweden's approach a success now when we are still in the middle of the pandemic? The whole argument that Sweden is headed for disaster is that they will have to end up instituting general lockdowns anyway, they will end up with way more deaths than they probably would have if they had just implemented these measures earlier, and they will end up prolonging the crisis and causing even more economic damage. That's still very much in play.
I was thinking that too..
Every country has a different mortality rate.
Also, we're still in the middle of whatever theoretical peak there is which should mean there is no conclusive result until that has passed.
Namaste
View: https://twitter.com/ltarsenal/status/1252912694581006336?s=20
UK didn't shutdown large events until those events cancelled themselves a week into march. Shamed into action by their efforts it was extended across the country in late march, but the actions of the PL and others, like in America, probably saved thousands of lives. Big events are massive vectors, especially when chanting and singing is involved. In the UK it came down to one coach testing positive before the game.
Maybe there's something to it, but my completely baseless retard opinion is that testicles do what they always do and contribute to the fact that compared to women, we are fat, alcoholic, smoking-addicted, drug-addled fucks that die earlier anyway. I'm skeptical that the direct chemical linkage is significant.
Logic goes as such:
100 extra deaths per million. There's only 10 million people. 1000 extra deaths to not lockdown which has its own harms and might have its own deaths too.
Sweden claims they are peaked and coming down.
If that is all true, compared to other risks, it suggests a risk level many societies would normally be happy to take for other threats viral or otherwise.
But that leaves out important details as above...low density, Swedes are notorious for being introvert loners (
@Dr. Prosper Meniere made reference that they move out socially uniquely as well), the pandemic isn't over, etc.But just recently the news was bandying about the scientist letter begging for Sweden to move to lock down. I expect that still might come, at least for Stockholm, but their example is interesting to follow (with context!!!) but try to avoid the schadenfreude if they get it wrong
I'm going to start routinely posting about my theories to see if I can get you this triggered on a regular basis.
That would match at least part of the Italian generational problem. Instead of the news giving us all a leaderboard of deaths, I wish it were easier to find demographic data on cases/deaths. Trying to ascertain consistent comparisons is tough.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/ny-issues-do-not-resuscitate-guideline-for-cardiac-patients/
New York state just issued a drastic new guideline urging emergency services workers not to bother trying to revive anyone without a pulse when they get to a scene, amid an overload of coronavirus patients.
While paramedics were previously told to spend up to 20 minutes trying to revive people found in cardiac arrest, the change is “necessary during the COVID-19 response to protect the health and safety of EMS providers by limiting their exposure, conserve resources, and ensure optimal use of equipment to save the greatest number of lives,’’ according to a state Health Department memo issued last week.
First responders were outraged over the move.
“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, head of the city union whose members include uniformed EMTs and paramedics, fumed of state officials.
New York state just issued a drastic new guideline urging emergency services workers not to bother trying to revive anyone without a pulse when they get to a scene, amid an overload of coronavirus patients.
While paramedics were previously told to spend up to 20 minutes trying to revive people found in cardiac arrest, the change is “necessary during the COVID-19 response to protect the health and safety of EMS providers by limiting their exposure, conserve resources, and ensure optimal use of equipment to save the greatest number of lives,’’ according to a state Health Department memo issued last week.
First responders were outraged over the move.
“They’re not giving people a second chance to live anymore,’’ Oren Barzilay, head of the city union whose members include uniformed EMTs and paramedics, fumed of state officials.
https://www.21cir.com/2020/04/penta...ronavirus-by-36-and-other-supporting-studies/
Pentagon Study: Flu Shot Raises Risk of Coronavirus by 36%
2017-2018 season
Pentagon Study: Flu Shot Raises Risk of Coronavirus by 36%
2017-2018 season