seems kind of crazy that the US is experiencing ~ 2 "Sept 11th" death counts of excess mortality over annual average every week.
Not really. The country is coming apart at the seams, it should be expected.
Don't kink shame him.
it might start "coming apart at the seams" after the election, but even that's a stretch.
Record unemployment and cities burning. Yeah, es normal.
cities are not burning, Drama Llama.
Record unemployment, but we just print money. ees normal.
Fear and Stress are at an all time high
That kills people with or without a virus going around
I think a lot of people don't wanna admit that the repercussions from a lockdown are and will kill a lot of people
I personally know of 3 suicides due to lockdown...sad stuff but true
Lotta variables and causes are involved with these "excess deaths"
So the riots are entirely a media fabrication?
A lot of major cities seeing murder rate increases too.
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A trend that started 2+ years ago
Murder Rate Drops Across U.S., but Not in All Large Cities (Published 2019)
The decline in killings and property crimes in 2018 continues a decades-long trend, according to F.B.I. data.
Chicago ? :A trend that started 2+ years ago
Murder Rate Drops Across U.S., but Not in All Large Cities (Published 2019)
The decline in killings and property crimes in 2018 continues a decades-long trend, according to F.B.I. data.www.nytimes.com
NYT was reporting a similar trend in NYC where in July the murder rate was up 50% from last year.
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I dont know about specific cities. But "A lot of major cities seeing murder rate increases too." has been a known trend for a few years where urban centers are bucking the national and historic trend downward. As I linked. The reasons are many argued.
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Crime down double digits in NYC but murders and shootings increase: NYPD
NEW YORK — As the mass protest movement in the wake of George Floyd’s death began, crime overall was down in New York City during May but many serious crimes saw a rise. The NYPD announced Th…
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what explains the dichotomy?
especially, felony assaults dropping, but murders going up? I always thought of those things has gradients of each other.
From what I understand in NYC police are largely handcuffed at present. If correct it would make sense that firearms are being used more brazenly, also without police intervention, or the threat of it, felony assaults quickly become murders.
Crime down double digits in NYC but murders and shootings increase: NYPD
NEW YORK — As the mass protest movement in the wake of George Floyd’s death began, crime overall was down in New York City during May but many serious crimes saw a rise. The NYPD announced Th…
what explains the dichotomy?
especially, felony assaults dropping, but murders going up? I always thought of those things has gradients of each other.
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Ahhh, that makes sense. We just converted assaults to completion. Shuffle the pile.
At a quick glance, NYC, Philly and Chicago have seen a sharp increase. Apparently L.A. is more of the same: LAPD: Homicides Up 250% In First Week Of June
We also converted assaults to excess deaths.
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I'm not sure they are currently statistically significant portion of those excess deaths if you are looking at long term averages:
Murder in New York was up 25% compared with last year as of June 14, but that total was the same one the city had in 2015. Murder is up 22% in Chicago, but it’s down 6% from where it was at this time in 2017.
And the percents are big, but the numbers are tiny. NYC, the largest city:
The number of people murdered in July rose 59 percent, from 34 deaths last year to 54 in 2020
Even there we are talking about 20/NYC Population extra over year with a 10 year excess death average much higher than 2019 anyways.
It's worth noting the harm, but then when I look at that harm, it seems a much lower focus than so much other harm. And since you raised a quantifiable item (excess deaths) it barely clicks into filling the bucket.
I think it would depend on how excess deaths are being counted. The term seems to be loosely defined, but generously applied. But a couple extra murders per month over potentially a hundred different municipalities and it starts to look somewhat more significant. Excess deaths are a much more slippery slope than either side of the debate seems to want to acknowledge. Are there people dying of covid, and it's not being reported? Certainly, but I frequently see people behaving as if all, or most excess deaths are covid related, and that doesn't seem to be grounded in anything outside of hope.
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They probably are.
Every week medical journals are filled with attempts to quantify the number that are COVID related (also other excess deaths such as diabets, ACS, etc which all rise in each pandemic location for many reasons). So this is not just random "hope" but looking at all causes
Excess Deaths From COVID-19 and Other Causes, March-April 2020
This study uses data from the National Center for Health Statistics to estimate excess deaths (ie, the difference between observed and expected deaths) in the US and the District of Columbia in the early weeks of the COVID-19 pandemic.
People have created models and in some cases have then used retrospective data from highly known and testing areas NYC to validate those models. Turns out the models were pretty good in some cases.
This strikes me as a bit of an issue:They probably are.
Every week medical journals are filled with attempts to quantify the number that are COVID related (also other excess deaths such as diabets, ACS, etc which all rise in each pandemic location for many reasons). So this is not just random "hope" but looking at all causes
Excess Deaths From COVID-19 and Other Causes, March-April 2020
This study uses data from the National Center for Health Statistics to estimate excess deaths (ie, the difference between observed and expected deaths) in the US and the District of Columbia in the early weeks of the COVID-19 pandemic.jamanetwork.com
People have created models and in some cases have then used retrospective data from highly known and testing areas NYC to validate those models. Turns out the models were pretty good in some cases.
Dumpsters are burning, not cities.
Building shaped dumpsters? Neat.