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@Robbie Hart tell us all about why Boris should be the new God Emperor of the wounded MAGA worshippers.
Bobo the disheveled twat? I’m not even capable of saying his cunt ass should be in charge of anything
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@Leigh If you get nothing from him as he’s an arrogant twat, let me know and I’ll get him to at least answer.
Corbyn is the reason the Tories got in. Starmer is a vastly better candidate. Corbyn isn't a leader and his ideas are too radical for Brits, who generally tend to lean right.
Starmer has experience in high level leadership in the real world, not this fake fairyland of politics.
You say that as if it wasn't clear well before the election. The man has been dishonest and incompetent in every aspect of his life; politically, professionally and as a husband.
I agree reaction to Corbyn propelled BoJo to Downing street, but why do you think that is? Is there a wide belief in tax and spend and austerity in the UK still in the shadow of Thatcher and the Blairites?
There was quite a smear campaign against him, highlighting the following points:
Self identified as a socialist.
Inability to condemn IRA without bringing in UK actions.
Wanting to unify Ireland.
Wanting to give Falkland Islands to Argentina.
Tax increase proposal. He empowered the left to attack wealthy people.
Refusal to hypothetically use nuclear weapons in retaliation to a nuclear attack.
Alignment with Diane Abbott.
Inability to provide a strong position on Brexit.
Support of trade unions, which has been touchy here since the 70s.
Failure to manage antisemitism within his party.
I think some of the critism levied at him is unnecessarily harsh - and I'd certainly have voted for him over Boris - but he's a wimp who should never have been in the position of leader. He was pushed there by other wimps and he got crushed when he tried to stand up to a bully.
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What is controversial in the UK about any of those positions? I admit I don't know who Diane Abbott is, but is there still sentimental attachment to the Falkland Islands? Are there still veterans of that war who have a voice? Do the average UKers really care much about socialism? I know they did in the Thatcher years, but the word seems almost quaint in the European context where socialist parties have existed and won since the 1890s.
Regarding the IRA, since they've essentially been mainstreamed into the political process via Sinn Fein, are there still people who harbor the old resentments? I know DUP was able to make some noise a couple elections ago.
My outsider's view was that his waffling on Brexit was what mostly did him in. It seemed the near 50-50 split on it was too much of a hedge to go one way or the other when in reality it seemed a no brainier he would have opposed it and should have gone on a strong footing saying so.
Awful public speaker with terrible maths, a horrible sense of arrogance and who has made racist comments (she's black and said that white nurses shouldn't be employed because non whites want to see a familiar face).
They're British Islands with British people living on them. The general public don't want to give them to Argentina.
It's never worked.
The IRA have committed terrorist atrocities. Failing to unilaterally condemn them is suicide here. Like someone asking a US politician if the 9/11 attacks were bad and he says, "ALL attacks are bad," and refuses to specifically condemn 9/11.
He was vocally critical of the EU in the past. Would have seemed very inconsistent if he became an ardent remainer.
You're not a Brit, so I forgive your lack of knowledge. If a Brit had asked the same questions about the Falklands and the IRA, they would have been ridiculed at best.
Do they have a status like Scotland, Wales or N. Ireland? Or are they English?
It's interesting that before Argentina invaded the Falklands, there were some within government that viewed the Falklands as a problem that was an impediment to trade agreements in South America. They wanted to find a way to transfer sovereignty to Argentina to overcome this, although the Falkland Islanders themselves were dead set against the idea. Many people in Britain would have had a hard time even pointing to a rough location on a map.
Since the war, any politician who advocates for giving the islands to Argentina would be committing political suicide.
The history of Argentina's claim to ownership is very weak if you look into it.
@Leigh why do y'all tolerate this?
Infographic: The Growing Cost of the Royal Family to UK Taxpayers
This chart shows the total cost of the UK's Royal Family by year.
www.statista.com
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Not only do the Argentines have a weak claim to the islands, the people living there are British, asIt's interesting that before Argentina invaded the Falklands, there were some within government that viewed the Falklands as a problem that was an impediment to trade agreements in South America. They wanted to find a way to transfer sovereignty to Argentina to overcome this, although the Falkland Islanders themselves were dead set against the idea. Many people in Britain would have had a hard time even pointing to a rough location on a map.
Since the war, any politician who advocates for giving the islands to Argentina would be committing political suicide.
The history of Argentina's claim to ownership is very weak if you look into it.
@Leigh said. There isn't an Argentinian community on the islands.In the 2013 sovereignty referendum on the islands, there were 1,516 valid votes cast. Of those, 1,513 (99.8%) votes YES to this question:
Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom? YES or NO
I don't see what the controversy is with these islands. They're British, end of story.
If you hear them speak, they have an accent that is reminiscent of the Cornish accent.Not only do the Argentines have a weak claim to the islands, the people living there are British, as
In the 2013 sovereignty referendum on the islands, there were 1,516 valid votes cast. Of those, 1,513 (99.8%) votes YES to this question:
Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom? YES or NO
I don't see what the controversy is with these islands. They're British, end of story.
I remember a story told by one of the British paras, he said that at first they were all wondering whether it was all worth the effort and sacrifice for some god forsaken rock in the South Pacific. They were on hand to free a bunch of civilians who had been held in a barn at one point though, and when they did the sheer joy of these people all talking in Cornish sounding accents made them realise "Hey, this is what we're doing this for, they're British."
The guy got it wrong. Let me draw your attention to this part:
Infographic: The Growing Cost of the Royal Family to UK Taxpayers
This chart shows the total cost of the UK's Royal Family by year.
"In a nutshell, the complicated system of funding the monarchy works when the UK government makes a payment called the Sovereign Grant to the Royal Household every year. Its value is determined by how uch money the Crown Estate real estate portfolio has brought in."
Do you know who owns the Crown Estate? The Queen.
This video gives a good explanation of why we do not want to get rid of the Royal family.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw
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It's secretly part of the Shrek universe, that wasn't animated it was just filmed like a documentary.