I'd like to hear more about this.
Are you saying that hospitalized covid patients don't need doctors and nurses?
Are you saying lockdowns would be a better plan then?
oh you wanna go?
Lets go!
I wanna fight!
Grrrrrrrrr
Masks and Lockdowns combined aren't stopping anything apparently if we are to believe the cases and death count of people with "positive covid tests"...that is all I know.
ON a sidenote, there have been 3 suicides related to people out of work or unhappy with lockdown within 3 blocks of me...so that is a rather sad and real repercussion...and some states have indeed seen quite a rise in that sad end to a life.
There is no easy solution or plan it appears.
Really? I thought we were doing well (only in terms of the virus) during lockdown compared to what is happening now after things started opening back up.
Outside of New York, are we doing better or worse now?
according to the News here in Oregon we are on an exponential rise and in an extreme emergency situation
Oregon has never been opened up and has had masks on everywhere since July
I don't know what is going on in NY...they live like Rats on top of each other is all I know
Personally I think cases and deaths are inflated via PCR testing thresholds...not interested in arguing about it but that is my belief
I do think their is a nasty strain of rona going on that some people get hammered by, and some people defeat with ease
Long story short....Lockdowns? They are complicated.
I'm not interested in the number of positives either. The more the merrier. Especially the ones who recover with ease!
My concerns are the number having to be hospitalized. Because I can assure you that at least my hospital is sending as many home to recover as safely possible!
I saw that you quarantined yourself from your wife. Good call. But you did it because you were a potential sleeper cell (Rona walker, Rona sleeper, etc we need a cool name to identify these super spreaders).
These ronawalkers seem to be the biggest threat. People who are symptomatic and sick are staying home. We have to do something about it.
Recovered people are good, I agree.
I also want the hospitals to be able to treat everybody possible.
Ronawalkers, super spreaders...lol...all the names sound like a game of thrones villian to me but I get the point even though asymptomatic spreaders is debatable according to WHO/CDC(if you trust them).
My wife sees probably 400 people per week at her 3 health care jobs so she, and in turn I have been exposed to anything going around. Was that way before the Rona and will be that way after the Rona.
Wake me up when it's over...if it is ever over.
The problem is distinguishing between asymptomatic and presymptomatic.
agreed
If I feel something coming on I am the first to tell people to stay away from me...I think some folks don't recognize the signs in their body or don't wanna admit they are likely in the beginnings of fighting a "bug".
The terms still crack me up, I could see those terms on the cover of a comic book.
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no idea. I jokingly mentioned in the summer that Trump would be promoting ivermectin after HCQ went bust since both have the same data. I have not followed ivermectin use in vivo to see its effects in practice. Is there something out there these days suggesting that?
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No idea.
We rolled out remote testing sites, supplemental care facilities, and used the national guard to bolster Texas capabilities in the spring while the Northeast was getting hit. We then decided to draw down a bunch of that money and staff during the summer, as Texas saw its first major wave.
All I can guess is that we keep making regional and local decisions without a coordinated master plan and that leads to a lot of inefficiencies.
Now we are blowing up cases all over at once and the system is failing due to depending on its historic supply/demand model. A bunch of hospitals are all flooded at once all over the country and all asking for travel nurses at the same time and in a bidding war for them. That doesn't make more nurses. But it does pay them more and cost more. And just like our PPE disaster of states and the feds bidding up against each other, it only exacerbates supply issues and increases costs.
Ideally you your ebbs and flows would be regional containment and suppression models that allowed you to shift resources continually, but that requires top down coordination.
Play on to my travel nurses right now rolling into job sites...
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Not at all. I'm pointing out that training people specifically to deal with covid patients is much more straightforward than training a nurse or a doctor. We frequently come up with positions in the medical care community where the individuals have very limited scopes because it makes more sense than training everyone in the field to be capable of everything.
In your original post you said that it doesn't need to be doctors or nurses. Who would you train for this?
Make a new position. Use a handful of doctors and nurses to oversee things.
I'm still not sure what you mean.
There are covid crisis teams. Some hospitals have covid units.
It still takes someone with at least a nursing degree. There are too many things to monitor for it to be otherwise.
Have you ever dealt with TSA?
Nursing homes are a perfect example of what I'm referring to. Highly trained overseers, appropriately trained staff under them.
The 'appropriately trained staff' would have to be someone with nursing degree or above to care for a covid patient that requires hospitalization.
For example, where I work the ratio of patient to nurse is 4:1. If I have a covid patient it goes to 3:1, meaning I can have a covid patient plus 2 regular patients, or I can have 2 covid but then my ratio is only 2:1, I can't have a 3rd regular patient. They need more care not less.
I envision what you are thinking of being like a medical TSA, no thanks.