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BeardOfKnowledge

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The 'appropriately trained staff' would have to be someone with nursing degree or above to care for a covid patient that requires hospitalization.
Not true. That's not the current standard and there's no reason to pretend that's the case.

For example, where I work the ratio of patient to nurse is 4:1. If I have a covid patient it goes to 3:1, meaning I can have a covid patient plus 2 regular patients, or I can have 2 covid but then my ratio is only 2:1, I can't have a 3rd regular patient. They need more care not less.
When the long term care homes were getting crushed here they deployed Army Reservists. They have a minimal level of medical training and the ability to follow directions given to them. Desperate times call for desperate measures. We're a year into covid, continuing to apply the normal healthcare model that clearly isn't working is not a viable solution. Even if we say "Yes, they need to be trained nurses." That's 14 months of education, we're now in month 12 of covid, although I'm more than happy to concede that it's month 9. In either case, we're now at a point where all of the "Well, that will take too long to do." options could have been done, or at least most of the way finished. As I pointed earlier, it's accepted by many epidemiologists and infectious disease experts that it's going to be 2023 before things start to return to normalcy. Maybe it's time we use that timeline when we make decisions, and not hope that by repeating the same mistakes we might wake up tomorrow and covid will have gone back to the wet market and decided to leave us alone.
 

Shinkicker

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When the long term care homes were getting crushed here they deployed Army Reservists. They have a minimal level of medical training and the ability to follow directions given to them. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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And that was devastating. It was below the standard of care needed. The deaths in Canada's nursing homes was nearly at twice the rate of other countries.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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That is the standard of the two hospitals that I have worked since March.
I don't doubt it, It's not the standard of nursing/long term carehomes.

And that was devastating. It was below the standard of care needed. The deaths in Canada's nursing homes was nearly at twice the rate of other countries.
That was why the reservists were deployed. The LTC staff was so under manned that they weren't following their own protocols and it resulted in a pile of preventable deaths. Of course a nurse is better than half of one, but half a nurse is better than the nothing at all being offered.
 
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25k cases in Cali today. No wonder their governor doesn't let them leave the house after 10 pm.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Oh. My bad. I thought we were talking about covid patients that require hospitalization. :oops:
We are. Who requires hospitalization changes based on the level of care available to them before that. The average person has home or hospital and it doesn't necessarily have to be that way.
 

Filthy

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Jun 28, 2016
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And that was devastating. It was below the standard of care needed. The deaths in Canada's nursing homes was nearly at twice the rate of other countries.
what's the death rate when there are no nurses? Twice as bad as a regular nurse might still be 100X better than no nurse at all.
That 'reservist' death rate would also start coming in to alignment over time as competency is raised by experience.
 

Filthy

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many industries are going to be 'revolutionized overnight' by COVID - remote and decentralized care models haven't had the market demand to really gain traction. Now the need is real and these solutions are becoming common as doctors/nurses are beyond their capacity and have to use alternate methods to deliver care.
 

ThatOneDude

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many industries are going to be 'revolutionized overnight' by COVID - remote and decentralized care models haven't had the market demand to really gain traction. Now the need is real and these solutions are becoming common as doctors/nurses are beyond their capacity and have to use alternate methods to deliver care.
How's your mom doing?
 

Filthy

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Jun 28, 2016
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How's your mom doing?
she thinks it's just like the flu, now she can go wherever she wants and do whatever she feels like.

smh.

FWIW - the state (IA) is telling people that if you haven't been to the hospital 10 days after you were exposed you can go on doing you.
they're saying that to keep the meat packing plants from shutting down. They don't care how many minimum wage workers and retirees they kill.