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Qat

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If you come in with your leg hanging off I'm going to ignore that and make sure you are breathing appropriately first. If you need oxygen, I'm going to give it to you before even glancing back at that leg.
No wonder since your kick prolly made the leg that way
 

Qat

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I'm imagining people coming into the hospital with symptoms right now telling a nurse covid isn't real, and the nurse just starting to kick the shit outta em.
 

Shinkicker

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I'm imagining people coming into the hospital with symptoms right now telling a nurse covid isn't real, and the nurse just starting to kick the shit outta em.
Here's the ones I love....

They have come to the ER for a headache. Have they taken anything at home for it? No. You take them to a bed and next door is a room with a big yellow precaution sign, outside the door is a cart with PPE equipment, masks, face shields, gowns, gloves, etc. They pause and say, "wait, is that a covid patient?! Are you going to put me next to them?! No way. Sorry. I'm leaving."

Ummmm, excuse me sir. But this guy sat next to you in the lobby before we brought him back.

Even better are the ones that let you place them in that room, treat their headache, and then demand a covid test before they leave because they want to know if you gave them the Rona while they were here.

Good times!
 

Qat

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Here's the ones I love....

They have come to the ER for a headache. Have they taken anything at home for it? No. You take them to a bed and next door is a room with a big yellow precaution sign, outside the door is a cart with PPE equipment, masks, face shields, gowns, gloves, etc. They pause and say, "wait, is that a covid patient?! Are you going to put me next to them?! No way. Sorry. I'm leaving."

Ummmm, excuse me sir. But this guy sat next to you in the lobby before we brought him back.

Even better are the ones that let you place them in that room, treat their headache, and then demand a covid test before they leave because they want to know if you gave them the Rona while they were here.

Good times!
You have sick people at the hospital?

 

Qat

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telehealth >> mobile nursing
I suppose it depends on the application. I required mobile nursing last year for cleaning and rebandaging a big wound on my neck twice a day.

No need to be in a hospital but also no way I could have done that myself or by remote, nor an untrained person.

Of course for Covid patients it's not really applicable I would think.
 

Filthy

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Filthy @Filthy , not sure how you know or why you are interested in Ivermectin but you may be interested in this one also

is that being used to treat COVID?

I watch an instructional like that and I think that somewhere there's COVID nurses doing stuff like that a couple times an hour, and I've trained people with HS diplomas how to do MUCH more complicated, dangerous, and precise procedures when I was the shift trainer in a CPU factory.

legitimately, I could teach my 7 yo how to do that procedure.
 

Filthy

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I suppose it depends on the application. I required mobile nursing last year for cleaning and rebandaging a big wound on my neck twice a day.

No need to be in a hospital but also no way I could have done that myself or by remote, nor an untrained person.

Of course for Covid patients it's not really applicable I would think.
telehealth is more like having AI monitor your body telemetry and alert you or healthcare professional when necessary.

I was exposed to a lot of Big Ideas in telehealth when I was doing wireless R&D for IoT (internet of things). There's an entire pillar of IoT just for "Health and Wellness"
 

Shinkicker

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is that being used to treat COVID?

I watch an instructional like that and I think that somewhere there's COVID nurses doing stuff like that a couple times an hour, and I've trained people with HS diplomas how to do MUCH more complicated, dangerous, and precise procedures when I was the shift trainer in a CPU factory.

legitimately, I could teach my 7 yo how to do that procedure.
You seemed interested in the other drug so I thought I'd share this one with you.

Not sure what that has to do with teaching someone how to administer it but ok.
 

Filthy

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You seemed interested in the other drug so I thought I'd share this one with you.

Not sure what that has to do with teaching someone how to administer it but ok.
i'm reading about it, appreciated.

i just thought that the process of administering it is something that required fairly low competency, and is a good example of tasks that could be off-loaded to not-a-nurse caregivers.
 

Shinkicker

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i'm reading about it, appreciated.

i just thought that the process of administering it is something that required fairly low competency, and is a good example of tasks that could be off-loaded to not-a-nurse caregivers.
I was going to try to get out of this conversation. However, me knowing that you are intelligent, I find this train of thought fascinating.

So this is an unapproved clinical trial drug being administered into a person's bloodstream.

Do you seriously see it as okay to be given by non medical personnel outside of a hospital?

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about people who go to other countries to get medical treatment that isn't approved here? Are you one of those that if it goes sour says "well the dumbass should have known better"?
 

Filthy

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I was going to try to get out of this conversation. However, me knowing that you are intelligent, I find this train of thought fascinating.

So this is an unapproved clinical trial drug being administered into a person's bloodstream.

Do you seriously see it as okay to be given by non medical personnel outside of a hospital?

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about people who go to other countries to get medical treatment that isn't approved here? Are you one of those that if it goes sour says "well the dumbass should have known better"?
I didn't see anything in the procedure that was really subjective, the only qualitative assessments are "no particles/don't aerate", and I think both of those are pretty easy to cover with automation or on-the-job training.

If the drug is really expensive and easy to fuck up, then you should have a really well-trained and experienced person doing it. At first, that person probably has to be of high competence and broad experience. But single-task competence is pretty easy to transfer.

I'm also thinking more of the people who need to go bed to bed and monitor care, or do the 'menial tasks' of COVID-care. The overall result would be that more patients would have on-site access to emergency care if their case turned. My concern is with the mild cases that are going home, and the time to get back to the hospital could be the difference in severity of outcome.
 
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Today sweden ended it's herd immunity experiment. Moving to restrictions.
 
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i'm reading about it, appreciated.

i just thought that the process of administering it is something that required fairly low competency, and is a good example of tasks that could be off-loaded to not-a-nurse caregivers.
Nurses already have CNAs.
They could have them hang a med. That isn't most of good nursing. It also doesn't solve the nursing shortage.
 

Filthy

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Nurses already have CNAs.
They could have them hang a med. That isn't most of good nursing. It also doesn't solve the nursing shortage.
so in the mild COVID course of care, what's the competency gap that can't be overcome with OJT or automation?
 
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Would someone requiring oxygen to maintain O2 sat above 92% qualify for intermediate care in your opinion?

Also, Our docs don't even like to intubate on the medical unit with med surg nurses . If at all possible they want to do it in the ICU.

I can't imagine many doctors agreeing to oversee a place like this.
My O2 sat never goes above 86% @Splinty said I’m fine