My sister is on the other side of the country. I talk to her everyday and FaceTime when I want. I don't feel like is shutting ourselves out in any sense of the word.
Maybe I'm confused by your original comment and why you were implying people were shutting themselves off.
I thought you were talking in the sense of people aren't supposed to get together in large groups, or were afraid to visit in person.
Hence my story of family who probably wished they had stayed home and just called.
Carry on.
Visit in person and gathering in large groups aren't synonymous.
As I said, the story lacks context. The lady visiting with her kids/grandkids and then going to seeing other at risk people was not following basic social distancing protocol guidelines, unless she lives in place without any. What that friend of the family is describing is PTSD, and it's awful that she has to deal with it but it would also be awful for her sister to have died of covid and she not be there to live with the guilt of knowing that she passed up the last chance she'd ever have to see her sister.
I know someone who has had their family (Husband, wife, 8 year old kid) self isolating for 9 months. They refuse to let their kid see his grandparents who only leave their house for groceries. If you can explain to me how the risk in this scenario (which unquestionably lies with the grandparents) outweighs the benefits I'm all ears.
Sydney decided not to let Melbourne have all the fun and screwed up its quarantine system.
But unlike when we fucked up, because of Christmas travel it's almost certainly already spread everywhere else. So we're all fucked again.
But unlike when we fucked up, because of Christmas travel it's almost certainly already spread everywhere else. So we're all fucked again.
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Nephew prob finna be born this weekend. No hospital visitors so hopefully they are back home by Christmas.
Also my brother has to test negative and then cannot leave the hospital premises (can't even go to the parking lot) until his wife and the baby are discharged.
Also my brother has to test negative and then cannot leave the hospital premises (can't even go to the parking lot) until his wife and the baby are discharged.
We're starting to get these... Which means it won't be long until that option becomes a requirement for us to do our jobs.
But I'm down. I'd rather have a chance to control the circumstance a bit than to have to completely hide and later deal with it on nature's terms that will also require more time off from work.
But I'm down. I'd rather have a chance to control the circumstance a bit than to have to completely hide and later deal with it on nature's terms that will also require more time off from work.
Do you have any reservations about taking the vaccine? I get that it will likely be required for your job, but I’m curious how you or
@SC MMA MD or @Splinty or anyone else in the medical industry feel about taking it now that it’s available. Also tagging
@RaginCajun and
@Shinkicker for that question.There are any number of reasons people have for taking it, or not, but for those of you that know more about these vaccines than the average layperson, how do you feel about it? Would you take it if it wasn’t required for your jobs? Would you prefer more study and trials time? Are you totally fine with it? I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, so apologies if this has been beaten to death.
I am by no means an antivaxxer, but I’m also not rushing to go get this one yet.
I got the vaccine yesterday with no trepidation. Feeling fine besides a sore arm which is already starting to improve.Do you have any reservations about taking the vaccine? I get that it will likely be required for your job, but I’m curious how you or
There are any number of reasons people have for taking it, or not, but for those of you that know more about these vaccines than the average layperson, how do you feel about it? Would you take it if it wasn’t required for your jobs? Would you prefer more study and trials time? Are you totally fine with it? I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, so apologies if this has been be to death.
I am by no means an antivaxxer, but I’m also not rushing to go get this one yet.
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Do you have any reservations about taking the vaccine? I get that it will likely be required for your job, but I’m curious how you or
There are any number of reasons people have for taking it, or not, but for those of you that know more about these vaccines than the average layperson, how do you feel about it? Would you take it if it wasn’t required for your jobs? Would you prefer more study and trials time? Are you totally fine with it? I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, so apologies if this has been be to death.
I am by no means an antivaxxer, but I’m also not rushing to go get this one yet.
I will be taking my vaccine tomorrow. I am not forced to take it for my job. I am a relatively low risk individual. I have no medical problems.
Why am I only taking it tomorrow? Because that is the first time I had time off to go get it done.
My only reservation and recommendation for anybody else is the fact that when you break down the study groups I think that there is a paucity of data in the 16 and 17-year-old group that pfizer studied. While the data supports using the vaccine in this group they are so incredibly low risk and their group was represented at such a small number that I would feel very confident with the blanket statement of 18 and up should get vaccinated. Likely, given that there is no reason you should see otherwise for the 16-year-olds, future studies will bear out that it is indeed safe and those teenage groups. However again they are pretty small representations inside of the larger study and just considering risk and benefits. But in the end that's kind of a moot point since they'll be being offered the vaccine probably like next summer with a lot more data available anyways.
Your post brings up another question for me. Are there plans to implement this vaccine in children? I have a 7 year old, and we have to prove his vaccination record in order to keep him enrolled in school. Do you see this going down a road where children will be required to vaccinate for Covid to be able to go to school? I have more reservations about him getting the shot than I do for myself, but that’s based more on instinct than personal research.
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I think that this virus falls into The background virus noise eventually through childhood exposure.
For most kids this is just another Coronavirus.
If enough Americans get vaccinated voluntarily, I do not expect to see a vaccination requirement for schools.
But of course I'm guessing and im not a public health expert.
vaccinating @Splinty is racist.
reason.com
"Basically, if you take 1,000 prime-age Americans you'd expect to have 150 African-Americans in the pool versus about 100 if you take 1,000 senior citizens. So in that sense, vaccinating essential workers promotes racial equity because you're giving shots to more Black people. But since the infection fatality rate for senior citizens is at least 10 times the rate for non-seniors, you're not actually saving Black people's lives this way. You're opting for a strategy that leads to more Black deaths and more white deaths than the "vaccinate seniors first" strategy, but deciding that it's better for equity and this is what ethics requires. "
To Mitigate Racial Inequity, the CDC Wants To Vaccinate Essential Workers Before the Elderly
Deaths from COVID-19 are overwhelmingly concentrated among the elderly, and thus it would seem obvious that vaccinating older Americans should be a top
reason.com
"Basically, if you take 1,000 prime-age Americans you'd expect to have 150 African-Americans in the pool versus about 100 if you take 1,000 senior citizens. So in that sense, vaccinating essential workers promotes racial equity because you're giving shots to more Black people. But since the infection fatality rate for senior citizens is at least 10 times the rate for non-seniors, you're not actually saving Black people's lives this way. You're opting for a strategy that leads to more Black deaths and more white deaths than the "vaccinate seniors first" strategy, but deciding that it's better for equity and this is what ethics requires. "
It's odd to me you wouldn't vaccinate essential workers first anyways. Seems like the least we could after being treated like fodder in March.vaccinating @Splinty is racist.
To Mitigate Racial Inequity, the CDC Wants To Vaccinate Essential Workers Before the Elderly
Deaths from COVID-19 are overwhelmingly concentrated among the elderly, and thus it would seem obvious that vaccinating older Americans should be a top
"Basically, if you take 1,000 prime-age Americans you'd expect to have 150 African-Americans in the pool versus about 100 if you take 1,000 senior citizens. So in that sense, vaccinating essential workers promotes racial equity because you're giving shots to more Black people. But since the infection fatality rate for senior citizens is at least 10 times the rate for non-seniors, you're not actually saving Black people's lives this way. You're opting for a strategy that leads to more Black deaths and more white deaths than the "vaccinate seniors first" strategy, but deciding that it's better for equity and this is what ethics requires. "
Cool, thanks for the input. I was thinking about this today because we had a zoom call with the school and other parents today to discuss how to handle getting back to school after the holiday break. Sounds like our son is going to have to get a Covid test if we want him to start on the normal return date ofJanuary 11, otherwise he can’t go back for another week or two. The school has had to figure this whole year out on the fly, so I don’t know what to expect when the vaccines are readily available.
required or optional?
Optional.
It should also be optional for businesses to allow customers based on whether or not they've been vaccinated.
Pfft essential workers over the Queen and Prince Philip?
You must be outside your mind
Come on, bruh. Queen is mucho essential. Prince Philip can eat shit though.
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vaccinating @Splinty is racist.
To Mitigate Racial Inequity, the CDC Wants To Vaccinate Essential Workers Before the Elderly
Deaths from COVID-19 are overwhelmingly concentrated among the elderly, and thus it would seem obvious that vaccinating older Americans should be a top
"Basically, if you take 1,000 prime-age Americans you'd expect to have 150 African-Americans in the pool versus about 100 if you take 1,000 senior citizens. So in that sense, vaccinating essential workers promotes racial equity because you're giving shots to more Black people. But since the infection fatality rate for senior citizens is at least 10 times the rate for non-seniors, you're not actually saving Black people's lives this way. You're opting for a strategy that leads to more Black deaths and more white deaths than the "vaccinate seniors first" strategy, but deciding that it's better for equity and this is what ethics requires. "
Counterpoint, highly exposed workers require a social contract that they will be protected from the harms of the job if you want them to keep doing the job.
Given that health care overruns are at least as dangerous or more than the virus itself, preserving healthcare capacity is as much a mainstay of preserving lives as anything.
And for the record, our system is vaccinating those of us that regularly rotate in the covid-19 unit and the emergency department.
Outpatient only physicians are lower down as their rate of exposure is lower. I have been told by friends that this is duplicated at other systems across the country.
So to be clear, simply having a degree does not impart front of the line status.
After emergency departments and inpatient high risk personnel, nursing home residents and nursing home workers should all be priority. To the tone of the article, not all seniors are created equal either. Those in ltac and snf need much more protecting than those in the community.
I know your post is tongue and cheek but I'm just going to respond to it factually
Very much this.
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Got my first dose of the vaccine today. Not required by my hospital system.Do you have any reservations about taking the vaccine? I get that it will likely be required for your job, but I’m curious how you or
There are any number of reasons people have for taking it, or not, but for those of you that know more about these vaccines than the average layperson, how do you feel about it? Would you take it if it wasn’t required for your jobs? Would you prefer more study and trials time? Are you totally fine with it? I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, so apologies if this has been beaten to death.
I am by no means an antivaxxer, but I’m also not rushing to go get this one yet.
I would have reservations if I had autoimmune issues or a history of anaphylaxis (would probably still take it if I had a history of anaphylaxis, would just hang out at the hospital a little longer after getting it).
Adults I would recommend getting it unless there is a contraindication; don’t know if it is ok for kids yet and their risk from COVID is way lower than adults.
I’m not a fan of making pretty much anything mandatory- if people don’t want to get it for some reason I don’t think they should have to. Trying to force compliance just fuels distrust, I think the path to wider acceptance is being honest about adverse effects and events, and letting the leery watch growing numbers of people get the vaccine without problems.
