British brothers and sisters, y'all wearing poppies or nah?

[Psychotropic Wanderlust]

That's why I tend to avoid these discussions. I'm not asking anyone to debunk the official story. I'm asking for anyone who's saying it was a false flag to give me 1) An iron-clad motive 2) A way to have kept all of it a secret for the past 14 years.

1. I like how you ask for an iron clad answer but yet the reasons you have been spoon fed are completely fabricated.

2. the reason no one that was involved is saying anything is because they have multiple millions that thank for not saying anything. and really.... do you want to be the guy to squeal on the rest of your crew? not only that but the guy to squeal on the biggest cover up in the history of the USA. you would be taken care of with the quickness, believe that.

you have too much faith in your govt.

9/11 was an inside job, no 2 ways about it.

 

[Psychotropic Wanderlust]

So no sources or counters, got it

what are your sources?? you were there as a grunt? I am sure you were privileged to know all the higher ups plans etc.

I dont want to get into it too much but being in the forces doesnt mean you have some special insight. its 2015, knowledge is everywhere.

 

[Psychotropic Wanderlust]

I find it hilarious that most people will think their spouses are cheating on them by just acting weird with very little evidence.... but when their govt blows up 2 buildings killing thousands of its own people, the blind faith goes through the roof despite epic amounts of evidence. you need it wrapped with a perfect bow to believe your govt could do that too you. despite the fact they are fucking you on every other front of society...but no, they wouldnt do that. if the USA didnt do 9/11, you would be in a world of hurt right now financially and economically.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

1) Massive military contracts for corporations you hold large interests in are massive motives.2. Everyone oversells how many people would be required to pull it off, you would need some co-conspirators, but when you are in positions of power you can give out orders for people to follow and they will unwittingly co-operate to make something happen.

America has had proven plans for false flag operations since the 60s, to outright deny it could happen due to motive and man power is naive at best, willfully ignorant at worse.

I've never denied it could happen. I'm simply saying it's unlikely, and asking for something a little more concrete than "They used the A-Team so they could make some money for their buddies."

 

[Psychotropic Wanderlust]

I've never denied it could happen. I'm simply saying it's unlikely, and asking for something a little more concrete than "They used the A-Team so they could make some money for their buddies."

so you believe the official story and govenment given reason on why 9/11 happened and who did it?

 

[Leigh]

I've never denied it could happen. I'm simply saying it's unlikely, and asking for something a little more concrete than "They used the A-Team so they could make some money for their buddies."

I don't know if 9/11 was a false flag by the US government. I don't have enough information to make that judgement. However:
1) Did they have a motive? Yes. War in the Middle East.
2) Is it something the US government is capable of? Yes. The declassification of Operation Northwoods confirms that.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

I wear it every year as a Canadian.

I respect people's rights to not wear one, but I do think they are cunts.

Support the troops.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I don't know if 9/11 was a false flag by the US government. I don't have enough information to make that judgement. However:
1) Did they have a motive? Yes. War in the Middle East.
2) Is it something the US government is capable of? Yes. The declassification of Operation Northwoods confirms that.

1) The War in the Middle East crippled their economy, and turned their citizens against them. I also think it's a long stretch to suggest that they needed to kill thousands of their own citizens in order to invade the Middle East.
2) I didn't say they aren't capable, I asked how the people have been kept quiet. Not a single person has come forward and admitted anything. I find that the hardest thing to believe of all.

I agree, I also don't know if 9/11 was a false flag by the US government. I also don't have enough information to make that judgment, no one probably every will. That in and of itself leads me to believe the official story is probably closer to the truth than any of the more exciting, nefarious alternatives.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

I don't know if 9/11 was a false flag by the US government.

It wasn't.

You're welcome.

 

[Leigh]

1) The War in the Middle East crippled their economy, and turned their citizens against them. I also think it's a long stretch to suggest that they needed to kill thousands of their own citizens in order to invade the Middle East.
2) I didn't say they aren't capable, I asked how the people have been kept quiet. Not a single person has come forward and admitted anything. I find that the hardest thing to believe of all.

I agree, I also don't know if 9/11 was a false flag by the US government. I also don't have enough information to make that judgment, no one probably every will. That in and of itself leads me to believe the official story is probably closer to the truth than any of the more exciting, nefarious alternatives.

1) Yeah, it was pretty short sighted. However, preserving the petro dollar is almost invaluable to the US.
2) No one came forwards for Operation Northwoods, either. JFK opposed it though. On a totally unrelated note, he was murdered afterwards.

 

[Leigh]

It wasn't.

You're welcome.

How do you know?

 

[Ted Williams' head]

1) The War in the Middle East crippled their economy, and turned their citizens against them. I also think it's a long stretch to suggest that they needed to kill thousands of their own citizens in order to invade the Middle East.
2) I didn't say they aren't capable, I asked how the people have been kept quiet. Not a single person has come forward and admitted anything. I find that the hardest thing to believe of all.

I agree, I also don't know if 9/11 was a false flag by the US government. I also don't have enough information to make that judgment, no one probably every will. That in and of itself leads me to believe the official story is probably closer to the truth than any of the more exciting, nefarious alternatives.

The thing I find the funniest is that truthers believe the American government committed this MASSIVE conspiracy with so much planning, so much deception, so much intricacy, so many moving parts...

...only to go to the middle east and say "whoops, we didn't find any WMD."

Ok, so the government was able to pull off 9/11, but they couldn't falsify a report to say that they found at least ONE lousy WMD?

I love these Truthers, they call people sheep, they insinuate you're ignorant... but I've never read a Truther theory that wasn't at least 1000x more implausible than the official story.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

How do you know?

Because I was lucky enough to be born with exactly 46 chromosomes.

 

[Leigh]

Because I was lucky enough to be born with exactly 46 chromosomes.

Ah ok, I get it. When you have a credible source or reasoning I'd be interested to read it

That also goes for people claiming it WAS a false flag.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

It was a false flag, the government used Thermite paint to take the towers down, there were no planes it was CGI, Bush was a good friend of George Lucas who made that happen. They filmed it in the same Hollywood sound stage that they filmed the Moon landing

 

[MadFatChickKilla]

Did planes drop them, thermite, missiles strapped to planes, out of space friggin lazer beam, pre planted bombs, fire attacking the structure?

I think the only real concrete fact we have is many people lost their lives going about their daily business, including many of the rescue services who to this day have have a life sentence hanging over them in the form of illness.

Many loved ones perished that day and that's a fact, unfortunately people on the interwebs are experts and some times so convincing.

I used to read all the conspiracy forums to try and gain some knowledge on what happend and I was in deeeep.

Glad I left it back then because I would just go round and round and round.

Now I just keep it in mind that anything is possible and nothing is permanent.

It's been an interesting read all the back and forth but I think we need to stop the name calling, it takes us nowhere and limits discussion.

Good to see people so passionate about it though whatever your thoughts are.

Peace.

 

[ThatOneDude]

what are your sources?? you were there as a grunt? I am sure you were privileged to know all the higher ups plans etc.

I dont want to get into it too much but being in the forces doesnt mean you have some special insight. its 2015, knowledge is everywhere.

im still waiting for @Vicious Hellbows sources. How can i prove something didnt happen? Im just asking for his sources that prove his narrative. My military service gives literally zero insight into 9/11, but it does provide insight into what actually did happen in iraq though

 

[Hired Gun]

Back On Topic You Fucking Fucks

 

[Sweets]

Hey @RJJH, I agree that 9 11 was suuuuper shady. I can easily see the means, motives and opportunity for US interests to carry out the job.. I also know for a fact that US foreign policy is entirely based on dominating; well, everything, while calling it "spreading democracy" or whatever 't
bullshit line they are using to sell it at home.

So please don't take this the wrong way... You should eat a sandwich man your blood sugar seems low.

 

[Leigh]

Phew, ok thread cleaned. Please save the personal attacks. I don't want to have to do this again. I'm unlocking the thread because I think it's an interesting discussion. Some sources (from either side) would be nice.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Some sources (from either side) would be nice.

I think it's kind of an endless circle. There's absolutely nothing anyone can post (from either side) that doesn't doesn't have a proposed answer or debunking to. In the end, nobody has the information and we're all just quoting people smarter than ourselves.

Anyway...

Support the troops!

 

[Leigh]

I think it's kind of an endless circle. There's absolutely nothing anyone can post (from either side) that doesn't doesn't have a proposed answer or debunking to. In the end, nobody has the information and we're all just quoting people smarter than ourselves.

Anyway...

Support the troops!

That's not true. If a leaked document came out, maybe a memo from GWB to a chief of staff, for example, that would be pretty conclusive. Conspiracies have been confirmed in the past. This one could be too. But whilst I believe it's plausible, I won't believe it as fact without some credible evidence.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

That's not true. If a leaked document came out, maybe a memo from GWB to a chief of staff, for example, that would be pretty conclusive. Conspiracies have been confirmed in the past. This one could be too. But whilst I believe it's plausible, I won't believe it as fact without some credible evidence.

That's what I'm waiting on. Or some contractor to come forward and say "Listen I haven't slept in 10 years because I was involved in this and here's how it happened."

 

[ThatOneDude]

That's not true. If a leaked document came out, maybe a memo from GWB to a chief of staff, for example, that would be pretty conclusive. Conspiracies have been confirmed in the past. This one could be too. But whilst I believe it's plausible, I won't believe it as fact without some credible evidence.

And that's the issue with truthers, they speak in such definitive terms while getting angry at people who don't agree with them. It totally ruins their credibility , and then people laugh at them, and they get even madder, further ruining their credibility.

 

[SAJ]

1) Massive military contracts for corporations you hold large interests in are massive motives.2. Everyone oversells how many people would be required to pull it off, you would need some co-conspirators, but when you are in positions of power you can give out orders for people to follow and they will unwittingly co-operate to make something happen.

America has had proven plans for false flag operations since the 60s, to outright deny it could happen due to motive and man power is naive at best, willfully ignorant at worse.

What about Larry silverstein? What a lucky man that guy is. He buys this asbestos filled, hazardous, outdated buildings and receives 4.5 billion in insurance.

Several months before the attacks on the World Trade Center on 9/11/ the lease of the buildings was made private and bought by Larry Silverstein. He took out an insurance policy that also covered terrorism.

Interestingly he never went to work on 9/11.

In and interview he said that he has breakfast and coffee every morning at “Windows On The World” in the World Trade Center but on September 11, 2001 he happened to have a dermatologist appointment in the morning. His kids also didn't turn up for work that day.

Also this was the same guy that was caught saying "pull it" before building 7 came down. This doesn't seem shadey to anyone here?