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John Lee Pettimore

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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JorgeMasvidalsBeard said:
I have shown that you were (are) wrong. You ignored that you were wrong when shown evidence, then conflated other things to obfuscate the evidence. You then proceeded into a tangent of unrelated matters to further move the goal posts away from where they were initially set. If you don't think that elected officials first duty is supposed to be to their electorate then you don't understand the basic fundamentals of a western democracy, which is kind of hilarious given your constant posting about the destruction of democracy.
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The people elect a representative.

If they don't like how that representative represents them, then they elect a different one.

Once a representative is sworn into office, it's not governing by popular consensus. States don't conduct referendums and send the results to their senator to rubber-stamp. Barring illegal conduct, until election day he or she is not bound by the will of their constituents in any way.

But they ARE bound by the Constitution. All of them are, first and foremost. That's why the literal first thing that every single official in the nation does in office, is pledge to respect, abide by and defend the Constitution. That's why no individual's powers supercede it. That's why no lawmaker can pass a bill or a law that the Justice Department finds to violate it. The first duty - always - is to the Constitution.

That's just how it works.

That's why the Republican Party's conduct is so egregious.

When the topics of discussion you bring up are not germane to the discussion me not answering them only means I've no interest in participating in bad faith conversations.
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If you ask me a direct, on topic question, I will give you a direct, on topic answer.

If you give me a snarky pissy little comment, then my response is probably not going to be to your satisfaction.

Out of curiosity, if you believe an elected officials duty is to protect the constitution. How do you rationalize passing laws, amending the constitution, or even having elections at all?
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There is nothing to rationalise. It contains the instructions for its own amendment. This is not a genuine question.

Are you still saying that voting to remove Cheney from her position for refusing to lie about the election result, is patriotic and pro-democracy?

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BeardOfKnowledge

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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John Lee Pettimore said:
The people elect a representative.

If they don't like how that representative represents them, then they elect a different one.

Once a representative is sworn into office, it's not governing by popular consensus. States don't conduct referendums and send the results to their senator to rubber-stamp. Barring illegal conduct, until election day he or she is not bound by the will of their constituents in any way.

But they ARE bound by the Constitution. All of them are, first and foremost. That's why the literal first thing that every single official in the nation does in office, is pledge to respect, abide by and defend the Constitution. That's why no individual's powers supercede it. That's why no lawmaker can pass a bill or a law that the Justice Department finds to violate it. The first duty - always - is to the Constitution.

That's just how it works.

That's why the Republican Party's conduct is so egregious.



If you ask me a direct, on topic question, I will give you a direct, on topic answer.

If you give me a snarky pissy little comment, then my response is probably not going to be to your satisfaction.



There is nothing to rationalise. It contains the instructions for its own amendment. This is not a genuine question.

Are you still saying that voting to remove Cheney from her position for refusing to lie about the election result, is patriotic and pro-democracy?

??
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John Lee Pettimore

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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JorgeMasvidalsBeard said:
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That's not a direct question, is it. My personal political philosophy is irrelevant. This isn't a discussion about how John Lee Pettimore thinks things should be - it's a discussion about how things are. How I rationalise it has no bearing at all on how it is. There is nothing relevant to answer - it's a sidetrack leading to nowhere.

And of course, you dishonestly edited out some of my post, where I said that there is nothing to rationalise anyway, because the means of amendment, passing laws etc is contained in the document.

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BeardOfKnowledge

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
61,430
56,726
John Lee Pettimore said:
That's not a direct question, is it. My personal political philosophy is irrelevant. This isn't a discussion about how John Lee Pettimore thinks things should be - it's a discussion about how things are. How I rationalise it has no bearing on how it is. There is nothing relevant to answer - it's a sidetrack.

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Enjoy your evening.
 
Rambo John J

Rambo John J

Baker Team
First 100
Jan 17, 2015
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John Lee Pettimore said:
It's 11am, but thanks.

Has this been your attempt at good faith discussion? Or was this whole exchange nothing but me being a prick, and you attempting to engage in an honest give and take?

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Please John...

Stop engaging with him and move on

-A fellow John


"It's Over"
 
Freeloading Rusty

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
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Top general fires back at 'offensive' criticism of military being 'woke'
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Top general fires back at 'offensive' criticism of military being 'woke'

Milley's comments are some of the most pointed in defense of the military, which has come under heavy criticism from Republican lawmakers and right-wing personalities for what they argue is leadership aiming political bias against conservatives.
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Gaetz also accused Austin's senior adviser on diversity issues, Bishop Garrison, of being a "critical race theorist" and cited past tweets. The defense secretary responded that Gaetz's questioning was the first time he'd heard Garrison described as a subscriber to critical race theory.

"We do not teach critical race theory. We don't embrace critical race theory, and I think that's a spurious conversation" Austin told Gaetz. "We are focused on extremist behaviors and not ideology, not people's thoughts, not people's political orientation."
 
Freeloading Rusty

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
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Cutting off unemployment benefits early is not pushing people to find work, data suggests
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Cutting off unemployment benefits early is not pushing people to find work, data suggests

Job searches are muted in a dozen states that have ended federal unemployment benefits early, according to Indeed.
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  • Twenty-five states are ending federal unemployment benefits (including an extra $300 a week) ahead of their official expiration on Sept. 6. Their governors are trying to encourage recipients to look for jobs.
  • A dozen already did so over the past two weeks.
  • Yet job searches are muted in those states, according to an analysis from website Indeed.
 
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