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[BeardOfKnowledge]

to be clear, i was just messing with ya here @TJ shat in me mouf! but i think u got that sinxce we joking right after this on the fight thread

my serious response to your comment about progressive is, lol come on dude. my progresive comment was about modern progressives, specifically nina turner. and what she stands for, which is some pretty great stuff.

ive only gone to 2 rallies in my life. bush in 2004 and bernie at the queensbridge rally in 2020

when i heard her there, i didnt like her. she seemed a little crazy with her "mommas gonna knock them outttt!" lol

but since then, ive heard her in countless 1 on 1s. and shes awesome. if she gets into congress, she very well may be the first person who unabashedly calls out everyone who is working for corporations instead of their voters, including biden

thats why trump donors and biden donors alike are funding her competition right now. bc her main opponent is another corporate hack

lets go nina! )) (2 days)

Modern progressives espouse the same messaging, it only sounds different because it isn't the same context. Here's an example. Climate change is an issue. 100%. Whether or not it's man made isn't relevant. The progressive solution? Ban fossil fuels at all costs. They don't care about the inefficiencies of the technology that replaces it, they don't care about the unknown environmental legacy of the technologies that replace it, they don't even care that it needs to be a global effort.

The climate movement often talks about "What will future generations say when they look back on how we handled climate change?" They don't seem to realize that doing something this second and at any and all costs will mean more foreign wars, more destruction to the environment and future criticisms about "Can you believe they put up these giant windmills? Those stupid things were incredibly hard on wildlife populations, made a whole bunch of land unusable and barely produced any power at all. What a bunch of morons."

Now, someone like me will say "Well, clearly they were wrong, but they thought the needed to do something." At this point Future Beard will be told by his progressive friend "No. It's wrong now and it was wrong then. Everyone involved was a bad person and everyone who didn't speak out was a bad person." We're not yet done making mistakes, progressives don-t seem to realize that.

 

[SongExotic2]

to be clear, i was just messing with ya here @TJ shat in me mouf! but i think u got that sinxce we joking right after this on the fight thread

my serious response to your comment about progressive is, lol come on dude. my progresive comment was about modern progressives, specifically nina turner. and what she stands for, which is some pretty great stuff.

ive only gone to 2 rallies in my life. bush in 2004 and bernie at the queensbridge rally in 2019

when i heard her there, i didnt like her. she seemed a little crazy with her "mommas gonna knock them outttt!" lol

but since then, ive heard her in countless 1 on 1s. and shes awesome. if she gets into congress, she very well may be the first person who unabashedly calls out everyone who is working for corporations instead of their voters, including biden

thats why trump donors and biden donors alike are funding her competition right now. bc her main opponent is another corporate hack

lets go nina! )) (2 days)

 

[SongExotic2]

Modern progressives espouse the same messaging, it only sounds different because it isn't the same context. Here's an example. Climate change is an issue. 100%. Whether or not it's man made isn't relevant. The progressive solution? Ban fossil fuels at all costs. They don't care about the inefficiencies of the technology that replaces it, they don't care about the unknown environmental legacy of the technologies that replace it, they don't even care that it needs to be a global effort.

The climate movement often talks about "What will future generations say when they look back on how we handled climate change?" They don't seem to realize that doing something this second and at any and all costs will mean more foreign wars, more destruction to the environment and future criticisms about "Can you believe they put up these giant windmills? Those stupid things were incredibly hard on wildlife populations, made a whole bunch of land unusable and barely produced any power at all. What a bunch of morons."

Now, someone like me will say "Well, clearly they were wrong, but they thought the needed to do something." At this point Future Beard will be told by his progressive friend "No. It's wrong now and it was wrong then. Everyone involved was a bad person and everyone who didn't speak out was a bad person." We're not yet done making mistakes, progressives don-t seem to realize that.

 

[jason73]

who is going to be the commie candidate ? joe is going to drop dead or be in a vegetative state before the midterms and kamala is already unpopular with their own base

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

who is going to be the commie candidate ? joe is going to drop dead or be in a vegetative state before the midterms and kamala is already unpopular with their own base

It's going to be Hunter and Don Jr.

 

[member 3289]

lol @ believing elections are real

You voted for Trudeau and helped get him into office. That was very real.

 

[SongExotic2]

who is going to be the commie candidate ? joe is going to drop dead or be in a vegetative state before the midterms and kamala is already unpopular with their own base

Oprah

 

[SongExotic2]

who is going to be the commie candidate ? joe is going to drop dead or be in a vegetative state before the midterms and kamala is already unpopular with their own base

The rock said he will run. As stupid as that sounds it would be brilliant. The most electrifying man in what house history on the mic.

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

who is going to be the commie candidate ? joe is going to drop dead or be in a vegetative state before the midterms and kamala is already unpopular with their own base

establishment are probably hoping for kamala or buttigiege (who are corrupy capitalists, not commies lol)

im sincerely pulling for nina turner. i wish rho khanna would run to get his name out there for future elections

 

[SongExotic2]

 

[SongExotic2]

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

establishment are probably hoping for kamala or buttigiege (who are corrupy capitalists, not commies lol)

They're not capitalists. They're corporatists. It's a different thing.

 

[SongExotic2]

Stone cold as deputy vice president of I just whipped your ass!

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

Modern progressives espouse the same messaging, it only sounds different because it isn't the same context. Here's an example. Climate change is an issue. 100%. Whether or not it's man made isn't relevant. The progressive solution? Ban fossil fuels at all costs. They don't care about the inefficiencies of the technology that replaces it, they don't care about the unknown environmental legacy of the technologies that replace it, they don't even care that it needs to be a global effort.

The climate movement often talks about "What will future generations say when they look back on how we handled climate change?" They don't seem to realize that doing something this second and at any and all costs will mean more foreign wars, more destruction to the environment and future criticisms about "Can you believe they put up these giant windmills? Those stupid things were incredibly hard on wildlife populations, made a whole bunch of land unusable and barely produced any power at all. What a bunch of morons."

Now, someone like me will say "Well, clearly they were wrong, but they thought the needed to do something." At this point Future Beard will be told by his progressive friend "No. It's wrong now and it was wrong then. Everyone involved was a bad person and everyone who didn't speak out was a bad person." We're not yet done making mistakes, progressives don-t seem to realize that.

Cool story.

Who exactly says that we are "done making mistakes"? Names please?

What will future generations say about climate change? They will say that this was humanity's greatest threat since the black plague, and that right-wing fuckwits spent decades lying about it and doing everything they could to slow humanity's necessary response to it.

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

Who exactly says that we are "done making mistakes"? Names please?

Without apparently realizing it, you say it right here:

What will future generations say about climate change? They will say that this was humanity's greatest threat since the black plague, and that right-wing fuckwits spent decades lying about it and doing everything they could to slow humanity's necessary response to it.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

Without realizing it you say it right here:

God, you're such a fucking tool. Which progressives claim that humans are done making mistakes? Names?

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

God, you're such a fucking tool. Which progressives claim that humans are done making mistakes? Names?

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Do you want to have a conversation, or do you want to name call? I don't care either way, but it's up to you, I was more than happy to have you on ignore for a few weeks and I have no issue doing it again.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

Do you want to have a conversation, or do you want to name call? I don't care either way, but it's up to you, I was more than happy to have you on ignore for a few weeks and I have no issue doing it again.

Oh yeah, there's real good chance of a conversation with you, the second we disagree about anything.

Why did you claim that progressives bear responsibility for slavery? Explain your reasoning directly and honestly. I doubt you will.

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

Why did you claim that progressives bear responsibility for slavery? Explain your reasoning directly and honestly. I doubt you will.

The "science" of the time declared that blacks (among others) were unfit to take care of themselves and that the superior white man needed to enslave to save them from the lives they'd have otherwise. This is well documented, it's the colonial story "Let's take care of those whom are unfit to take care of themselves." That was a progressive sentiment of the time, and it's echoed in many of today's progressive movements.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

The "science" of the time declared that blacks (among others) were unfit to take care of themselves and that the superior white man needed to enslave to save them from the lives they'd have otherwise. This is well documented, it's the colonial story "Let's take care of those whom are unfit to take care of themselves."

Uh-huh.

The Southern plantation owners fought a war against their own nation to keep slavery, because they were progressives.

That the best you can do? Slavery was defended and propagated by Southern progressive plantation owners?

If that was the progressive stance of the time - what do you think the Conservative stance was? Was it conservatives who broke the slave trade while progressives went to war against their own nation to defend it?

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

Uh-huh.

The Southern plantation owners fight a war against their own nation to keep slavery, because they were progressives.

That the best you can do? Slavery was defended and propagated by Southern progressive plantation owners?

If that was the progressive stance of the time - what do you think the Conservative stance was? Was it conservatives who broke the slave trade while progressives went to war against their own nation to defend it?

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The subject was how progressivism is responsible for slavery, not the Civil War. Slavery's progressive roots were clearly explained to you. The Civil War is an entirely different ball of wax that had a lot more to do with economics than it did progressive or conservative values.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

The subject was how progressivism is responsible for slavery, not the Civil War. Slavery's progressive roots were clearly explained to you. The Civil War is an entirely different ball of wax that had a lot more to do with economics than it did progressive or conservative values.

Go fuck yourself, troll.

Have you ever honestly and directly answered even one single question I've asked you - ever?

Who based their entire economy on slavery and fought a war against their own nation to keep it, and who fought a war to end it?

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

Have you ever honestly and directly answered even one single question I've asked you - ever?

I directly answered your question about slavery's roots. You didn't like the answer so you completely ignored that (as usual) you're flatly wrong and tried to change the topic of conversation to something else.

Go fuck yourself, troll.

Guess you need more of a timeout. Enjoy.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

I directly answered your question about slavery's roots. You didn't like the answer so you completely ignored that (as usual) you're flatly wrong and tried to change the topic of conversation to something else.

Uh-huh.

Progressives drove slavery, and are responsible for it.

I guess if it was up to traditionalist conservatives, slavery would have been abolished much quicker? Dishonest troll.

Who based their entire economy on slavery - progressives, or conservatives?

Who fought a war against their own nation to keep black people as slaves - progressives, or conservatives?

Who fought a war to end slavery in the USA - progressives, or conservatives?

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[Wintermute]

I have one side of this conversation on time out, but I can see what @John Lee Pettimore is posting... we're not arguing that the War of Secession was fought over slavery, are we? LOL