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Gamer Dude said:
They don't hold anywhere near either of these figures.
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Yes, they do. Let's be conservative and say 70% - the Taliban claimed 85% of physical territory in July and have made gains since.

They don't exaggerate nearly as much as people think. They produce their own reports to legitimize their shadow governance structures and observers like the Long War Journal (neocons, but have proven to be the best at mapping the developments) have cross-referenced the reports over time with other maps to note that they are fairly accurate. Yes, they exaggerate of course. So does the Afghan government.

The government is increasingly confined to population centres, with the exception of central Hazarajat where they still exercise control over a swathe of territory. Even that is precarious now.

Look at the map you showed above. If you believed that map, then the whole province of Nimruz just flipped from 'blue' to 'red' out of nowhere. It's complete bollocks. The Taliban has controlled large portions of that territory for a while. Most of those 'contested' districts are situations where the government controls central population centres and the Taliban control everything else. As in, they control most of the territory.

The Long War Journal estimates that more people live in Taliban controlled districts than government controlled ones now. You'd have to guess as to the split in contested districts but 50/50 is not at all an unreasonable estimate.

I don't know how on earth you came up with the figure that 90% of Afghanistan's population is urban. That's the stat that isn't even remotely true.
 
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Yes, they do. Let's be conservative and say 70% - the Taliban claimed 85% of physical territory in July and have made gains since.

They don't exaggerate nearly as much as people think. They produce their own reports to legitimize their shadow governance structures and observers like the Long War Journal (neocons, but have proven to be the best at mapping the developments) have cross-referenced the reports over time with other maps to note that they are fairly accurate. Yes, they exaggerate of course. So does the Afghan government.

The government is increasingly confined to population centres, with the exception of central Hazarajat where they still exercise control over a swathe of territory. Even that is precarious now.

Look at the map you showed above. If you believed that map, then the whole province of Nimruz just flipped from 'blue' to 'red' out of nowhere. It's complete bollocks. The Taliban has controlled large portions of that territory for a while. Most of those 'contested' districts are situations where the government controls central population centres and the Taliban control everything else. As in, they control most of the territory.

The Long War Journal estimates that more people live in Taliban controlled districts than government controlled ones now. You'd have to guess as to the split in contested districts but 50/50 is not at all an unreasonable estimate.

I don't know how on earth you came up with the figure that 90% of Afghanistan's population is urban. That's the stat that isn't even remotely true.
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90%, 26%. We're just splitting hairs at this point.
 
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Gamer Dude said:
90%, 26%. We're just splitting hairs at this point.
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I think the concept of 'control' is also pretty silly in some instances. The Afghan government is partly comprised of a bunch of warlords who control their own personal armies, and the Taliban operates in certain areas without really functionally controlling them and which can be, and often are, easily retaken by government forces when they can be bothered.

I have heard someone describe the Afghan President as the 'Mayor of Kabul' and that's somewhat accurate.

It's pretty darkly funny and telling that victory is now being defined as 'yeah, well, the Taliban only controls like half of Afghanistan, so there'.
 
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The Merikan and Bri ish governments have just told all its citizens to get the fuck out of Afghanistan post haste.

Its gone.
 
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I think the concept of 'control' is also pretty silly in some instances. The Afghan government is partly comprised of a bunch of warlords who control their own personal armies, and the Taliban operates in certain areas without really functionally controlling them and which can be, and often are, easily retaken by government forces when they can be bothered.

I have heard someone describe the Afghan President as the 'Mayor of Kabul' and that's somewhat accurate.

It's pretty darkly funny and telling that victory is now being defined as 'yeah, well, the Taliban only controls like half of Afghanistan, so there'.
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That and most of the areas the Taliban "re-takes" are abandoned by government forces before fighting really escalates.
 
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I've been watching a TV show about Vikings invading lands and fighting for territories, it's called....



The last kingdom,


It's strange how Britain used to be carved into many different kingdoms, it's kinda like all the different territories in Afghanistan. The Taliban are trying to rule them all tho, like lord sauron.
 
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Saw this earlier. The Taliban have been assassinating afghan air force pilots. Now there are all deserting so they had no air support. I read that the USA had been providing air support in its place. Whole situation is fucked.


Also, Britain petitioned NATO to remain and provide ground support to suppress these anticipated attacks after the us left and not one of those cocksuckers would step up. Hence we had to leave too
 
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Shang Tsong2 said:
Saw this earlier. The Taliban have been assassinating afghan air force pilots. Now there are all deserting so they had no air support. I read that the USA had been providing air support in its place. Whole situation is fucked.


Also, Britain petitioned NATO to remain and provide ground support to suppress these anticipated attacks after the us left and not one of those cocksuckers would step up. Hence we had to leave too
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'I bravely proposed that other people keep fighting for me, because I was too scared to keep fighting alone. So without these cowards fighting in my place, I surrendered along with them, like a badass.'

- The UK
 
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Former Maycee Barber Fan said:
'I bravely proposed that other people keep fighting for me, because I was too scared to keep fighting alone. So without these cowards fighting in my place, I surrendered along with them, like a badass.'

- The UK
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I wonder what would happen if western governments legitimately left the middle east alone for 12 months. No military, no "training forces", no arms deals, no political meddling, just picked up and left.
 
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Former Maycee Barber Fan said:
'I bravely proposed that other people keep fighting for me, because I was too scared to keep fighting alone. So without these cowards fighting in my place, I surrendered along with them, like a badass.'

- The UK
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800 or so troops the UK had there would likely be getting shot up and stomped out by now. He made the right decision. However at least he saw what would happen and tried to do something other than just leave them to it. I'm glad the UK diddnt try to go all Sparta tho. Wouldn't have gone well.
 
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this type of shit is bound to happen as soon as the US support ended

Taliban most likely go down the hit-list of all individuals who helped out the US and ask either they're with us or against us and kill everyone who doesn't come aboard

US needs to do a better job of protecting it's friendly forces, the ones who fought alongside, like get em a citizenship to the US or something instead of letting them just die
 
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tang said:
this type of shit is bound to happen as soon as the US support ended

Taliban most likely go down the hit-list of all individuals who helped out the US and ask either they're with us or against us and kill everyone who doesn't come aboard

US needs to do a better job of protecting it's friendly forces, the ones who fought alongside, like get em a citizenship to the US or something instead of letting them just die
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This is the whole argument of the UK. Helmand and Kandahar are under seige and we had lots of interpreters and friendly locals there. Now they are being hunted down. It's fucked up to just leave them.
 
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TJ shat in me mouf! said:
I wonder what would happen if western governments legitimately left the middle east alone for 12 months. No military, no "training forces", no arms deals, no political meddling, just picked up and left.
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Afghanistan isn't considered the Middle East but that is a nitpick.

The West isn't the only player in town. Afghanistan is as much a India v Pakistan proxy war as it is anything else.

The Arabs, Turks, Russians, and Iranians are all having a go at each other throughout the Middle East. It's still a big clusterfuck of meddling even if the big swinging dick leaves the party. It would look much the same.
 
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Shang Tsong2 said:
800 or so troops the UK had there would likely be getting shot up and stomped out by now. He made the right decision. However at least he saw what would happen and tried to do something other than just leave them to it. I'm glad the UK diddnt try to go all Sparta tho. Wouldn't have gone well.
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'At least he saw' - they all saw it coming. They didn't leave because they thought everything was going to be fine.
 
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