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John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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the 2-party system is the minimum required for the illusion of choice.

tell me more about this "lesser evil"...did Pres Biden stop using Title 42 to reject amnesty claims at the border?
Is he putting mothers with 3 day old American citizens in jail cells with concrete beds, wrapped in a space blanket?

it's the party of two names. you'll catch on eventually.
Do you expect me to mindlessly defend every single thing that Biden and his administration do, have done or want to do? You want me to make excuses for every single statement he makes or action he sets in motion? Because I'm not going to do that, because I'm not a cultist. I didn't even think he should have entered the race, because of his age.

Having said that - look at the last administration. Head to head, there was not a single Democrat in the field who wasn't VASTLY superior to that clown. Every single Dem on the debate stage was MUCH better informed on the issues, MUCH better prepared for the job, (with the possible exception of Williamson) and FAR less corrupt. That's just the reality. No President and no administration in either of our lifetimes is anything close to as corrupt or as anti-democracy as what we just saw.

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BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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What happens to folks whose living is basically owning apartments/condos/houses and renting them out? How are they making a living with tenants who don't have to pay rent and can't be evicted?

Fuck em?
Who's going to move in, the other unemployed people?
 

Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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Who's going to move in, the other unemployed people?
Usually you don't evict unless the tenant is destroying shit or you have a suitable replacement.

But you bring up a great point. Maybe if people went back to work they'd be able to afford rent.
 

kaladin stormblessed

Nala fanboy
Apr 24, 2017
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What happens to folks whose living is basically owning apartments/condos/houses and renting them out? How are they making a living with tenants who don't have to pay rent and can't be evicted?

Fuck em?
the federal government caused this problem by shutting stuff down

as a result, they allocated money to be paid to tenants and/or landlords

unless i am mistaken, there are billions of dollars right now that have been allocated that government has not yet dispersed, but should

but going back to your question, if the government shuts down business as it did, then it has to print money to cover those lost wages or elves people go homeless
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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Usually you don't evict unless the tenant is destroying shit or you have a suitable replacement.

But you bring up a great point. Maybe if people went back to work they'd be able to afford rent.
I could be wrong but I believe K @kaladin stormblessed was referring to the eviction moratorium for those who are/were out if work due to covid.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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Yup. Some people want to complain about "the system" but also want to keep the same system alive. It's mind bottlng.
Some people think that one of America's only two political parties turning openly and explicitly anti-democracy, is somehow funny. Or not happening at all. Or happening at the same level on both sides of the aisle.

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Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
Jun 28, 2016
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Do you expect me to mindlessly defend every single thing that Biden and his administration do, have done or want to do? You want me to make excuses for every single statement he makes or action he sets in motion? Because I'm not going to do that, because I'm not a cultist. I didn't even think he should have entered the race, because of his age.

Having said that - look at the last administration. Head to head, there was not a single Democrat in the field who wasn't VASTLY superior to that clown. Every single Dem on the debate stage was MUCH better informed on the issues, MUCH better prepared for the job, (with the possible exception of Williamson) and FAR less corrupt. That's just the reality. No President and no administration in either of our lifetimes is anything close to as corrupt or as anti-democracy as what we just saw.

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you're moving goal posts. Biden and the Dems campaigned on the inhumanity of Trump's border policy and the nepotism and corruption inherent in his administration.

Pres Biden has done even worse, with even less humanity, at the borders. At the same time, he's at least meeting (if not exceeding) Trump's marks for corruption and influence peddling. You're right that all the Dems in the field were VASTLY superior to Pres Trump...the real question is why did the worst of those possible choices get the candidacy?

because the game is rigged. There are two parties that control the elections and their interests are incredibly aligned with the powerful and wealthy, and neither is remotely aligned with the needs of the voters and those that aren't associated with the 'elite' class.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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you're moving goal posts. Biden and the Dems campaigned on the inhumanity of Trump's border policy and the nepotism and corruption inherent in his administration.

Pres Biden has done even worse, with even less humanity, at the borders.
Yes, the border is a horrible shitshow and it is clearly not a huge priority of the administration. The situation is disgraceful and a stain on the nation.

Having said that - this situation existed when he took over. The Trump administration's actions at the border were so extreme, and they were so incompetent about it, that many of these families will never be reunited. You act like this is a situation that Biden created because being cruel to migrants thrills his base. If you want me to acknowledge that the border is a shitshow and Kamala isn't doing shit to fix it - which it is, and she isn't - then be honest about who created these conditions, and who supports the cruelty.

At the same time, he's at least meeting (if not exceeding) Trump's marks for corruption and influence peddling.
This is objectively not true, to the level that it is sheer fantasy.

You're right that all the Dems in the field were VASTLY superior to Pres Trump...the real question is why did the worst of those possible choices get the candidacy?
Because that's who the people chose. He had the best name recognition, he was the hardest to demonise, he was a centrist who could speak to more of the electorate than almost anyone else on the stage, and he benefited from his association with Obama, who was far more popular than Trump or anyone on the Democratic stage.

He was also perceived as being the single candidate who Trump was most afraid to face in the general.

So, there's that.

because the game is rigged. There are two parties that control the elections and their interests are incredibly aligned with the powerful and wealthy, and neither is remotely aligned with the needs of the voters and those that aren't associated with the 'elite' class.
Great, that must mean that there's no difference between them, and behind closed doors Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi are smoking cigars together giving each other back rubs, right?

Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz, there's absolutely no difference between them at all. Either man reaches the Oval Office and their term unfolds no differently. Sure sure.

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Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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Great, that must mean that there's no difference between them, and behind closed doors Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi are smoking cigars together giving each other back rubs, right?
Very little difference. Correct.
If there is a hell, they are both heading there.
I know that much.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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Very little difference. Correct.
If there is a hell, they are both heading there.
I know that much.
But you think they're working hand in glove, and laughing behind closed doors because really they're both on the same page about everything?

McConnell, Pelosi, Trump, Biden, all working together, with the same goals and the same motivations, you think? Pretty simplistic, unrealistic view of the world.

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Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
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But you think they're working hand in glove, and laughing behind closed doors because really they're both on the same page about everything?

McConnell, Pelosi, Trump, Biden, all working together, with the same goals and the same motivations, you think? Pretty simplistic, unrealistic view of the world.

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Goals and motivations are identical, yes.
Greed and power.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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Goals and motivations are identical, yes.
Greed and power.
So Pelosi, Trump, Ted Cruz and AOC - all essentially the same person, all working together, no two of them hate each other's guts and everything the other stands for, and the nation's political life is the same no matter which of them is in the Oval Office?

Sure sure. Great, insightful analysis. ?

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Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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So Pelosi, Trump, Ted Cruz and AOC - all essentially the same person, all working together, no two of them hate each other's guts and everything the other stands for, and the nation's political life is the same no matter which of them is in the Oval Office?

Sure sure. Great, insightful analysis. ?

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Nice conclusion jump.
Not saying they are working together.

They are all 1 in the same. In life, when 2 assholes meet they rarely get along.

You pretending one side is evil while the other is righteous is fucking laughable.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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Nice conclusion jump.
Not saying they are working together.

They are all 1 in the same. In life, when 2 assholes meet they rarely get along.

You pretending one side is evil while the other is righteous is fucking laughable.
I'm a million miles away from calling the Dems "righteous". Stop being a binary simpleton. The Dems are corrupt, elitist, completely out of touch, dominated by a generation of power-hungry geriatrics who should have been pensioned off 20 years ago, and incompetent at winning elections.

But.

At least they:

A) aren't a personality cult,

B) want to live and work in a fucking democracy,

C) Will shitcan one of their guys if he turns out to be a sexual predator, as opposed to automatically forming a defensive shield around a child sex trafficker.

Which puts them one up on the Republicans in a BIG way.

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