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it's amusing to watch the Dems and Reps trying to blame each other for a 2 decade shitshow they unanimously approved and profited from.
The constant whiplash of draw down and surge and draw down and surge even made people skeptical that we would actually leave this time.

And SongExotic2 @Shang Tsong2 still thinks we'll be back in a few weeks. Which isnt A terrible guess given the schizophrenic history.
 

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The constant will flash and draw down and surge and draw down and surge even made people skeptical that we would actually leave this time.

And SongExotic2 @Shang Tsong2 still thinks we'll be back in a few weeks. Which isnt A terrible guess given the schizophrenic history.
Welcome to the new Cold War.

it's a reboot.
 
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Trump backs off peace talks

Taliban kills a bunch of people including American

Trump comes back to the table anyways only to have the Taliban attack our base one day later:

Talks have a "brief pause" after they attack our base

And then immediately resume...to sign a peace accord:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfVTUoppnI4


This deal was overwhelmingly favorable to the Taliban.
But at no point did the Taliban stop acting up except after this favorable peace of accord. Part of this negotiation strategy was to continue from a point of strength and making the whole war politically unpalatable. They continued bombings and then backed off after they got thousands released and secured their future.

They only ramped up the bombings again when Biden extended the deadline past May in an attempt to make it look like a coordinated and non-rushed leave. It could have been even worse if we had left in May, although it probably wouldn't have made an appreciable difference in Taliban takeover.
But biden still pulled out. Trump wouldn't have done so under these circumstances as he stated. Biden even said the towlieban wouldnt take over the country. Try and try to blame trump for this but it's all biden. He has 2 humanitarian disasters in his first 7 month's due to him and his staffs incompetence

Covid infected aliens pouring across the border and Afghans being beheaded and falling off planes

The whole world is laughing at Joe's incompetence



Biden will have to go back to Afghanistan to clean up his mess.

Reminds me of when obama sat on his ass until isis pushed the Yazidi to the top of that mountain and he was forced to act to save face. And we are still in iraq
 

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The constant whiplash of draw down and surge and draw down and surge even made people skeptical that we would actually leave this time.

And SongExotic2 @Shang Tsong2 still thinks we'll be back in a few weeks. Which isnt A terrible guess given the schizophrenic history.
I think the time has gone. If the Taliban have the land without conflict it becomes an invasion. Not good for voters. Biggest chance was earlier when the 5000 troops and 600 Brits were supposed to show up. A stray bullet from either side and it turns into a conflict. Not heard fuck all about any skirmishes with the Taliban or the troops tho.
 
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But biden still pulled out. Trump wouldn't have done so under these circumstances as he stated.
That's an easy thing to state for the sidelines when you negotiated towards a peace deal immediately after the Taliban kills an American.

And there's reason to believe that given that Trump was happy to let our actual allies in the Kurds get steamrolled, that pulling out despite the consequences has been his foreign policy history. Perhaps he would have stayed to "secure the oil" in Afghanistan like he said he did in Syria?


If Trump really meant that he would stay, I'm glad Biden is in charge. Ripping this bandaid off is infinitely smarter than staying.
 
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That's an easy thing to state for the sidelines when you negotiated towards a peace deal immediately after the Taliban kills an American.

And there's reason to believe that given that Trump was happy to let our actual allies in the Kurds get steamrolled, that pulling out despite the consequences has been his foreign policy history. Perhaps he would have stayed to "secure the oil" in Afghanistan like he said he did in Syria?


If Trump really meant that he would stay, I'm glad Biden is in charge. Ripping this bandaid off is infinitely smarter than staying.
I'm glad we left too. But the way he did it has embarrased america

Dudes a clown. Cant wait to see him read a speech someone wrote for him today
 

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Why you turn the fucken live function off you gay dog widow??


The masses were literally calling for it and it's the most active thread on the site.

 
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He already has in a way. He had to send more troops. When the taliban starts releasing videos of interpreters being beheaded biden might have to pull an obama and save the day.

This is close to the isis situation that pulled obama back into iraq imo

Wait until the public outcry grows louder and the story on the ground starts unfolding. I hope I'm wrong
 
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Dont play dumb doctor
I'm not. If we had left 10 years ago 5 years ago 1 year ago 1 year from now I see essentially the same result with only a gray variation of timeline based on where the Taliban was on structuring their forces. However the system in place with the Afghan government makes this result inevitable in months if not days every single time.


He already has in a way. He had to send more troops. When the taliban starts releasing videos of interpreters being beheaded biden might have to pull an obama and save the day.
So that's something I do agree should have been managed. But it should have been managed with the peace talks. The peace talks occurred with a final signing February 2020. Biden should have secured those who served along our guys, but so should have Trump. But do you really think Trump was going to move thousands of Afghans to the US?
 

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He already has in a way. He had to send more troops. When the taliban starts releasing videos of interpreters being beheaded biden might have to pull an obama and save the day.

This is close to the isis situation that pulled obama back into iraq imo

Wait until the public outcry grows louder and the story on the ground starts unfolding. I hope I'm wrong
Sure I called this page one or so. Public outcry to the horror will force the west to go back and save the day.


It will be the humanitarian thing to do by then and the media will paint him a hero.
 

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Opiates are full of shit. I did 8 at a time for days in a row last week and it didn't even make me a heron fiend.


I've been meaning to get some more, you know anyone?
 

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We're sending in 6000 additional troops?
Reporter sounded uncertain.
 
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So that's something I do agree should have been managed. But it should have been managed with the peace talks. The peace talks occurred with a final signing February 2020. Biden should have secured those who served along our guys, but so should have Trump. But do you really think Trump was going to move thousands of Afghans to the US?
So you agree Biden fumbled the handoff.

Glad we could come to an agreement
 

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I do know a guy by chance...
I'm just messing. I diddnt need those things to start with because I'm rock hard, but once I figured out what happened when I did shit loads at once and drank beers I can see how they could become addictive. Gave me a right good tingle and made me sleepy.


Hmmmm maybe I'll get some more