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Rambo John J

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This is correct. Read the PR:

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.
“The FDA’s approval of this vaccine is a milestone as we continue to battle the COVID-19 pandemic. While this and other vaccines have met the FDA’s rigorous, scientific standards for emergency use authorization, as the first FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine, the public can be very confident that this vaccine meets the high standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality the FDA requires of an approved product,” said Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock, M.D. “While millions of people have already safely received COVID-19 vaccines, we recognize that for some, the FDA approval of a vaccine may now instill additional confidence to get vaccinated. Today’s milestone puts us one step closer to altering the course of this pandemic in the U.S.”​
Since Dec. 11, 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has been available under EUA in individuals 16 years of age and older, and the authorization was expanded to include those 12 through 15 years of age on May 10, 2021. EUAs can be used by the FDA during public health emergencies to provide access to medical products that may be effective in preventing, diagnosing, or treating a disease, provided that the FDA determines that the known and potential benefits of a product, when used to prevent, diagnose, or treat the disease, outweigh the known and potential risks of the product.​
FDA-approved vaccines undergo the agency’s standard process for reviewing the quality, safety and effectiveness of medical products. For all vaccines, the FDA evaluates data and information included in the manufacturer’s submission of a biologics license application (BLA). A BLA is a comprehensive document that is submitted to the agency providing very specific requirements. For Comirnaty, the BLA builds on the extensive data and information previously submitted that supported the EUA, such as preclinical and clinical data and information, as well as details of the manufacturing process, vaccine testing results to ensure vaccine quality, and inspections of the sites where the vaccine is made. The agency conducts its own analyses of the information in the BLA to make sure the vaccine is safe and effective and meets the FDA’s standards for approval.​
Comirnaty contains messenger RNA (mRNA), a kind of genetic material. The mRNA is used by the body to make a mimic of one of the proteins in the virus that causes COVID-19. The result of a person receiving this vaccine is that their immune system will ultimately react defensively to the virus that causes COVID-19. The mRNA in Comirnaty is only present in the body for a short time and is not incorporated into - nor does it alter - an individual’s genetic material. Comirnaty has the same formulation as the EUA vaccine and is administered as a series of two doses, three weeks apart.​
“Our scientific and medical experts conducted an incredibly thorough and thoughtful evaluation of this vaccine. We evaluated scientific data and information included in hundreds of thousands of pages, conducted our own analyses of Comirnaty’s safety and effectiveness, and performed a detailed assessment of the manufacturing processes, including inspections of the manufacturing facilities,” said Peter Marks, M.D., Ph.D., director of FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. “We have not lost sight that the COVID-19 public health crisis continues in the U.S. and that the public is counting on safe and effective vaccines. The public and medical community can be confident that although we approved this vaccine expeditiously, it was fully in keeping with our existing high standards for vaccines in the U.S."​
FDA Evaluation of Safety and Effectiveness Data for Approval for 16 Years of Age and Older
The first EUA, issued Dec. 11, for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for individuals 16 years of age and older was based on safety and effectiveness data from a randomized, controlled, blinded ongoing clinical trial of thousands of individuals.​
To support the FDA’s approval decision today, the FDA reviewed updated data from the clinical trial which supported the EUA and included a longer duration of follow-up in a larger clinical trial population.​
Specifically, in the FDA’s review for approval, the agency analyzed effectiveness data from approximately 20,000 vaccine and 20,000 placebo recipients ages 16 and older who did not have evidence of the COVID-19 virus infection within a week of receiving the second dose. The safety of Comirnaty was evaluated in approximately 22,000 people who received the vaccine and 22,000 people who received a placebo 16 years of age and older.​
Based on results from the clinical trial, the vaccine was 91% effective in preventing COVID-19 disease.​
More than half of the clinical trial participants were followed for safety outcomes for at least four months after the second dose. Overall, approximately 12,000 recipients have been followed for at least 6 months.​
The most commonly reported side effects by those clinical trial participants who received Comirnaty were pain, redness and swelling at the injection site, fatigue, headache, muscle or joint pain, chills, and fever. The vaccine is effective in preventing COVID-19 and potentially serious outcomes including hospitalization and death.​
Additionally, the FDA conducted a rigorous evaluation of the post-authorization safety surveillance data pertaining to myocarditis and pericarditis following administration of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and has determined that the data demonstrate increased risks, particularly within the seven days following the second dose. The observed risk is higher among males under 40 years of age compared to females and older males. The observed risk is highest in males 12 through 17 years of age. Available data from short-term follow-up suggest that most individuals have had resolution of symptoms. However, some individuals required intensive care support. Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes. The Comirnaty Prescribing Information includes a warning about these risks.​
Here's the part about ongoing safety monitoring with results coming in in '22 and '23:
Ongoing Safety Monitoring
The FDA and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have monitoring systems in place to ensure that any safety concerns continue to be identified and evaluated in a timely manner. In addition, the FDA is requiring the company to conduct postmarketing studies to further assess the risks of myocarditis and pericarditis following vaccination with Comirnaty. These studies will include an evaluation of long-term outcomes among individuals who develop myocarditis following vaccination with Comirnaty. In addition, although not FDA requirements, the company has committed to additional post-marketing safety studies, including conducting a pregnancy registry study to evaluate pregnancy and infant outcomes after receipt of Comirnaty during pregnancy.​
The FDA granted this application Priority Review. The approval was granted to BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH.​
If that qualifies as a valid safety trial we are in deep shit.

We should all question this claim of "full approval" by the FDA.

from your post...

"Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."

For a virus with a 99.7% survival rate for all ages combined...99.99+% survival rate for those under 20
 
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If that qualifies as a valid safety trial we are in deep shit.

We should all question this claim of "full approval" by the FDA.

from your post...

"Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."

For a virus with a 99.7% survival rate for all ages combined...99.99+% survival rate for those under 20
Think about how that survival rate changes when already stressed out hospital networks are overloaded, and how that affects your precious mortality rate for noncovid patients as per the literature you linked me!
 
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"The SETRAC CEO says the Southeast Texas region is short about 2,000 nurses, which he says is the main reason behind the bed shortage."

get more nurses

sounds like failure in planning even after more than a year of covid
You don’t just “get more nurses.” It takes time and training. This is clearly a systemic issue that will take several years to correct through focused policy, and isn’t going anywhere in the near term so must be factored into covid realities.
 
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If that qualifies as a valid safety trial we are in deep shit.

We should all question this claim of "full approval" by the FDA.

from your post...

"Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."

For a virus with a 99.7% survival rate for all ages combined...99.99+% survival rate for those under 20
Apology accepted.

Something for you to work on:

 

Rambo John J

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Think about how that survival rate changes when already stressed out hospital networks are overloaded, and how that affects your precious mortality rate for noncovid patients as per the literature you linked me!
Survival rates for kids? Are a lot of teens in the hospitals?

Where I am, people are not dying at a higher rate despite the overloaded(actually understaffed) hospitals.

I know we are both virologists with intricate knowledge of the subject, but we are obviously at an impasse here.

I suggest you sleep/nap on it and take another look at the data when you recharge your nog.
 
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Survival rates for kids? Are a lot of teens in the hospitals?

Where I am, people are not dying at a higher rate despite the overloaded(actually understaffed) hospitals.

I know we are both virologists with intricate knowledge of the subject, but we are obviously at an impasse here.

I suggest you sleep/nap on it and take another look at the data when you recharge your nog.
How bout u Fite me u scallywag
 

mysticmac

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Today marks the day that 'rona makes a comeback in Washington state. The mask mandate is back 2021 style.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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You don’t just “get more nurses.” It takes time and training. This is clearly a systemic issue that will take several years to correct through focused policy, and isn’t going anywhere in the near term so must be factored into covid realities.
Lol. No.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Are you trynna cyber bully me? It won’t work!
We've had 20 months for the medical establishment to reassess how it's handling things. What have they done? Sit on their hands and pray for a vaccine to solve all their problems. Now that the vaccine is here, but hasn't solved all their problems? I know what you're thinking "Well, in 20 months we should have come up with some decent treatments. Set up some centers just for covid patients so they don't actually have to go into the hospital and infect people there. We'll have even used the year and a half+ to train care givers trained only to deal with covid patients."

As I type this I realize that we're coming close to having nurses who began their programs after the pandemic started, lol.
 
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We've had 20 months for the medical establishment to reassess how it's handling things. What have they done? Sit on their hands and pray for a vaccine to solve all their problems. Now that the vaccine is here, but hasn't solved all their problems? I know what you're thinking "Well, in 20 months we should have come up with some decent treatments. Set up some centers just for covid patients so they don't actually have to go into the hospital and infect people there. We'll have even used the year and a half+ to train care givers trained only to deal with covid patients."

As I type this I realize that we're coming close to having nurses who began their programs after the pandemic started, lol.
Exactly
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Israel data on vaccine effectiveness in the world of Delta






COVID Vaccines reduce infection rates including asymptomatic infection.
COVID vaccines shorten duration of infection if there is a break through.
Both of the above lower community transmission (have to get infected to be able to transmit. Shorter breakthrough infection results in lower community transmission)
Further, this Israeli data (and previously UK data) show decreased viral shedding in the vaccinated.
They are highly effective at keeping you out of the hospital on top of all of this.


Get vaccinated. Save lives, including your own.
Where you getting this Delta info from? I didn't see it mentioned in the abstract. I really want this to be true, so you better not be BSing us, doc.
 

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
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Superintendent pleads for 'grace' after parents allegedly target two teachers over masks
“A parent physically assaulted a teacher by ripping a mask off her face, others yelling at a teacher to take off her mask because they could not understand what the teacher was saying while her face was covered,” Tom Leonard, the district superintendent, wrote in the email.
 

Shinkicker

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We've had 20 months for the medical establishment to reassess how it's handling things. What have they done? Sit on their hands and pray for a vaccine to solve all their problems. Now that the vaccine is here, but hasn't solved all their problems? I know what you're thinking "Well, in 20 months we should have come up with some decent treatments. Set up some centers just for covid patients so they don't actually have to go into the hospital and infect people there. We'll have even used the year and a half+ to train care givers trained only to deal with covid patients."

As I type this I realize that we're coming close to having nurses who began their programs after the pandemic started, lol.
Centers for covid patients, you say? Like army tents or something? Lol

Covid patients need the most equipment and resources.

And who is going to train these covid nurses? The Experienced ICU nurses sometimes struggle with caring for covid patients.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Centers for covid patients, you say? Like army tents or something?
You can build a Costco in 3 months. Figure it out.

Covid patients need the most equipment and resources.
No problem. We've got trillions of dollars to spend on the pandemic.

And who is going to train these covid nurses? The Experienced ICU nurses sometimes struggle with caring for covid patients.
The same people who are training nurses now? Nursing is a 2 year program and being an RN is far more expansive than what would be required of someone who only handles covid patients.
 

Shinkicker

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You can build a Costco in 3 months. Figure it out.



No problem. We've got trillions of dollars to spend on the pandemic.



The same people who are training nurses now? Nursing is a 2 year program and being an RN is far more expansive than what would be required of someone who only handles covid patients.
No sense in building a hospital with no one to run it.