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John Lee Pettimore

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Maybe, maybe not. It isn't the first pandemic I've lived through and I'm not that old. It's just been the biggest.
Well, no.

It is indisputably the biggest and deadliest pandemic since the 1918 influenza. That's not a "maybe, maybe not" point of contention.

After the last one the medical industry was warned this would happen. Unfortunately preparing for a pandemic cuts into your bottom line quite a bit, and we certainly can't be having that.
See, this is where we are going to run into problems.

They WERE preparing for a pandemic. But then - in May 2018:

"The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack."


That doesn't fit your "both sides, both sides, both sides" mantra though, sooooooo........ yeah.

That was not unique to the "right wing ecosystem".
Not unique, no.

But overwhelmingly coming from the right. Again, you are playing silly little word games rather than participating in an honest discourse. It's a point of partisan political pride on the right to resist any and all efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus. Not so on the left. And you know that damned well. The activist left has many grievous failings, but actively promoting and enabling the spread of covid at all times is not one of them. That's a right wing problem. This is not up for reasonable debate.

But yes, I'm fine with public officials being held to account for their actions assuming due process and all that jazz.
Are you, though?

Your stance on the Capitol insurrection and the GOP's nationwide anti-democracy rhetoric and actions would suggest otherwise. Which Republican officials' actions on Jan 6 have you called on to be investigated, let alone held accountable for? Seriously - can you give a single example of you calling for an investigation to hold Trump (or anyone in his administration) accountable for any of their actions regarding anything, at any point during or after his administration?

??
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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Well, no.

It is indisputably the biggest and deadliest pandemic since the 1918 influenza. That's not a "maybe, maybe not" point of contention.
Your statement was ambiguous in that you said "This is a once in a century event." hence why I would use the wording "Maybe, maybe not." Along with the explanation that this might be the biggest pandemic, but it's not the only one.

See, this is where we are going to run into problems.

They WERE preparing for a pandemic. But then - in May 2018:

"The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack."
Ameican hospitals are private businesses.

It's a point of partisan political pride on the right to resist any and all efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus. Not so on the left. And you know that damned well. The activist left has many grievous failings, but actively promoting and enabling the spread of covid at all times is not one of them. That's a right wing problem. This is not up for reasonable debate.
It was not Trump and Pence who delcared the vaccines rushed or that "They wouldn't take one if it got approved today." That was Biden and Harris.

Are you, though?
Yes. Government across the world, regardless of their political leanings have failed their nations throughout the pandemic. Covid is hardly a uniquely American problem.
 

Shinkicker

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Jan 30, 2016
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......

Speaking to broadcasters, Health Minister Sajid Javid said he did not anticipate more lockdowns and that the vaccine passports would not be introduced in England, as the government depends instead on vaccines and testing to defend the public.


....

The government was handed sweeping emergency powers in March 2020 with the introduction of the Coronavirus Act, which included measures to shut down businesses, to close down sectors of the economy and the right to detain infectious people.

"These extraordinary times required necessary but intrusive measures. But I'm determined to get of rid of any powers we no longer need because of our vaccine defences," said Johnson in a statement.
 

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
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3 Vancouver schools placed on lockdown after Proud Boys try to enter during masks protest
“This is related to yesterday’s protest against Washington state’s requirement for staff and students to wear masks or face coverings in schools and on buses,” Nuzzo wrote to OPB.

Patriot Prayer, a far-right group led by Southwest Washington’s Joey Gibson, and other far-right activists made posts online incorrectly claiming that a student at the school who did not want to wear a mask would face arrest if they entered school grounds.

Parents of other students at Skyview joined the anti-mask protest, holding signs and calling for the student to be given a medical exemption to mask requirements. Nearby, teachers and students held signs supporting masks.

One video posted online showed a group of people outside the school chanting “U-S-A.” Several people in the crowd were wearing black and yellow clothing of the Proud Boys, a far-right group best known for their participation in the Jan. 6 insurrection and for inciting violence during protests against anti-fascists.
 

Splinty

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Dec 31, 2014
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Did you know that ole George may have been a conspiracy theorist?! Some thought the British were intentionally sending people with smallpox into military camps.

Washington, could tell no lie, a conspiratard, and a vaccine mandator?
Truly the father of this great nation.

 

kaladin stormblessed

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Apr 24, 2017
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alot of invectim back and forth. this is one of the first times i heard someone referring to an experiment

what the med student says is yhat ivermectin killed covid in a petree dish. but the amount of ivermictim that was required to do so was high (higher than then the human body can withstand)


View: https://youtu.be/63IgyIjTkqg
 

Splinty

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Dec 31, 2014
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alot of invectim back and forth. this is one of the first times i heard someone referring to an experiment

what the med student says is yhat ivermectin killed covid in a petree dish. but the amount of ivermictim that was required to do so was high (higher than then the human body can withstand)


View: https://youtu.be/63IgyIjTkqg
Please don't listen to medical students. Put them back in their basements to finish their studies.
 

Splinty

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Nah.
Hospital is in a town of 3,000 people and delivers 100 babies a year.
It's a whopping 25 beds and attached to a nursing home. Purely a critical care access hospital.

The real miracle is that they were still delivering babies in 2021 when nearly every other facility of their size is shuttered the services because they lose money on said service.

Beyond that don't Don't let the door hit you antivax nurses on the way out. Pregnant women get sicker than the rest of us when they get coronavirus. They should be entering a labor deck that is not a nidus of infection in every way possible.

That attached nursing home should fire all of their antivax nurses as well before they kill any residents.
 

Rambo John J

Baker Team
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Jan 17, 2015
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Nah.
Hospital is in a town of 3,000 people and delivers 100 babies a year.
It's a whopping 25 beds and attached to a nursing home. Purely a critical care access hospital.

The real miracle is that they were still delivering babies in 2021 when nearly every other facility of their size is shuttered the services because they lose money on said service.

Beyond that don't Don't let the door hit you antivax nurses on the way out. Pregnant women get sicker than the rest of us when they get coronavirus. They should be entering a labor deck that is not a nidus of infection in every way possible.

That attached nursing home should fire all of their antivax nurses as well before they kill any residents.
So let the vaccinated spread it to them.
Brilliant.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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The real miracle is that they were still delivering babies in 2021 when nearly every other facility of their size is shuttered the services because they lose money on said service.
Always about money with you people.
 

Splinty

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So let the vaccinated spread it to them.
Brilliant.
Tell me you still don't understand the current epidemiologic data without telling me you still don't understand the epidemiologic data.


Always about money with you people.

I don't know if I've ever met an admin that cares more about the patient than the dollar.

We've removed obstetric services and and pediatric services out of nearly every community hospital. Neither pay very much and even adult medicine when it comes to hospitalist typically runs at a loss.
All of this is then covered by ancillaries and surgical services.
I'm not sure if this all causes the grotesque abuse of the patient's wallet or if the same hospitals that lobby for certain reimbursement to be more than others do this by design.
 

Rambo John J

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Tell me you still don't understand the current epidemiologic data without telling me you still don't understand the epidemiologic data.





I don't know if I've ever met an admin that cares more about the dollar than the patient.

We've removed obstetric services and and pediatric services out of nearly every community hospital. Neither pay very much and even adult medicine when it comes to hospitalist typically runs at a loss.
All of this is then covered by ancillaries and surgical services.
I'm not sure if this all causes the grotesque abuse of the patient's wallet or if the same hospitals that lobby for certain reimbursement to be more than others do this by design.
I strongly disagree

I think your missing a lot
 

Splinty

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Dec 31, 2014
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I strongly disagree

I think your missing a lot
Well of course you do.

I'm not.

A labor deck of vaccinated nurses will be less likely at any given time to have an active infection going on.
In the event that a breakthrough infection occurs said infection will be transmissible for a shorter period of time.