General Alec Baldwin fired the gun that killed one and injured another in an accident set of his film "Rust."

[Qat]

Movies like Westerns do a thing that anti-gun advocates refer to as "glorifying gun violence". I can't think of any instance of "glorifying rape" being an issue. Ie, There are countless movies where the hero goes on a mass shooting spree and the audience loves them for it. On the other hand, I can't think of any movie in which the audience celebrates a rape.

Depends on the audience really. Same with books and video games etc. Not that you ain't got a point, but then we can expand it and ask, well they are pro gun but are they also pro killing sprees?

But fine let's look at other examples. Who should play Michael Myers or Jason Voorhees?
What would be the casting scenario in your "they shouldn't do things on screen they are against" - world?

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

I think Alec Baldwin has mental health issues.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

 

[mysticmac]

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If that is directed toward me, I'm not a Trump supporter and anyone who is ever handed a gun is responsible for making sure it is safe.

 

[mysticmac]

I think Alec Baldwin has mental health issues.

I think he's just a coked up moron.

 

[Thuglife13]

 

[Speaker to Animals]

I'm sure it was a total accident and the families and Alec are crushed but it kind of points out the hypocrisy of stars making millions glorify guns and violence while speaking out against it from the other side of their mouths.

I think on the set of Aliens, Sigourney Weaver didn't want to handle the prop guns for that reason.
But then she's Helen Ripley and there's a xenomorph to kill

 

[Speaker to Animals]

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This is some serious gourmet shit

 

[Thuglife13]

 

[Thuglife13]

James bond says hello

 

[Hauler]

Apparently, he was told the gun wasn't loaded.

Warrant: Baldwin didn't know weapon contained live round

SANTA FE, N. M. (AP) — An assistant director unwittingly handed Alec Baldwin a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show. “Cold gun,” the assistant director announced, according to a search...

komonews.com

IMO, it doesn't really matter. Basic firearm safety means he should've checked. The assistant director that gave it to him should have checked also. Even if the AD checked it standing directly in front of Baldwin right before he handed it to him, Baldwin still should've checked so he could see for himself. That is a basic rule of firearm safety.

When Wyatt Earp handed me his six shooter and told me it wasn't loaded, I still checked it.

 

[Hauler]

I think Alec Baldwin has mental health issues.

Most of Hollywood likely does.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Depends on the audience really. Same with books and video games etc. Not that you ain't got a point, but then we can expand it and ask, well they are pro gun but are they also pro killing sprees?

But fine let's look at other examples. Who should play Michael Myers or Jason Voorhees?
What would be the casting scenario in your "they shouldn't do things on screen they are against" - world?

Most people, whether they realize it or not, are "pro killing spree" in some way.

With the Jason or Michael Myers example there are 2 things to keep in mind. 1) No one knows who plays them. 2) No one believes them to be hero of their movies. Those movies aren't glorifying murder. When you watch them you're hoping those people aren't successful.

 

[Filthy]

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yeah, no conservatives...

smh. you know you can go back and read conservative and gun-nut forums, right? that's all still there

 

[Filthy]

Apparently, he was told the gun wasn't loaded.

Warrant: Baldwin didn't know weapon contained live round

SANTA FE, N. M. (AP) — An assistant director unwittingly handed Alec Baldwin a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show. “Cold gun,” the assistant director announced, according to a search...

komonews.com

IMO, it doesn't really matter. Basic firearm safety means he should've checked. The assistant director that gave it to him should have checked also. Even if the AD checked it standing directly in front of Baldwin right before he handed it to him, Baldwin still should've checked so he could see for himself. That is a basic rule of firearm safety.

The armorer shares some of the blame as well. She should have taken the time to go over some basics with the cast and crew. She also should have kept any guns that are capable of firing a real round locked up with a select few educated people having access.

the whole point of having armorers and prop masters on the set is so that actors and crew aren't responsible for checking weapons. With firearms set up for film, especially rare or 'future' firearms, it can be very difficult to tell loaded and unloaded apart if you're not a 'gun' person.

Baldwin is responsible for creating the environment as the producer, but not for firing the weapon as an actor.

 

[Filthy]

good on you for checking

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you literally have to break all 4 rules to have an accidental discharge

if I was in charge of gun sale, I'd make it so that no one can buy a gun unless you can recite the safety rules verbatim

that's not the 4th rule.

the 4 rules don't reference a firearm's "safety" because many firearms do not have a safety, and you should never ever ever trust a 'safety'.

treat every weapon as if it were loaded
know your target and what is beyond it
do not touch the trigger until you're are ready to shoot
do not point a firearm at anything you do not wish to destroy.

really, it's one rule and a 3 part definition

 

[Filthy]

So by that logic every actor that ever played a rape scene.. isn't really against rape?
I'm gonna have to disagree.

i mean...if they're on film glorifying rape and using the rape scene to pay their mortgage.

it'd be like if Max Hardcore started raising money for abused women and railing against the social ills of porn.

and then everyone saw him rape his cinematographer.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I think he's just a coked up moron.

I don't think so. It's a reasonably safe bet that anyone who spent the last 4 years of their life virtue signalling and obsessing over Donald Trump is probably in need of some pretty major help.

 

[Speaker to Animals]

Most people, whether they realize it or not, are "pro killing spree" in some way.

With the Jason or Michael Myers example there are 2 things to keep in mind. 1) No one knows who plays them. 2) No one believes them to be hero of their movies. Those movies aren't glorifying murder. When you watch them you're hoping those people aren't successful.

What's the point of going to see a Friday the 13th film without the glorious kills, I definitely root for the slasher.

Black audience members be like "Don't go in there!"
And I'm all "Yes, go in the cabin. Nothing wrong with the cabin. It's a safe place to take off your clothes and shower."

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

What's the point of going to see a Friday the 13th film without the glorious kills, I definitely root for the slasher.

Black audience members be like "Don't go in there!"
And I'm all "Yes, go in the cabin. Nothing wrong with the cabin. It's a safe place to take off your clothes and shower."

So you're a psychopath, and maybe a little racist.

 

[FINGERS]

 

[Speaker to Animals]

So you're a psychopath, and maybe a little racist.

Definitely, and mostly.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Definitely, and mostly.

How are the Wings looking this year? I haven't been able to keep up.

 

[Speaker to Animals]

How are the Wings looking this year? I haven't been able to keep up.

?
But I'm gonna be a fan whatever the weather. Looking chilly and rainy so far

 

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Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.
Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.
“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” a crew member said. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.”
A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,” according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.