Breaking.. multiple dead in Paris

[Leigh]

Earlier in the thread I stated "Let the refugees in they said" and I believe you and @JohnyHendricksBeard said oh that hasnt happened. Its all home grown, dont jump to conclusions...

And now we have this

Holder of Syrian passport found near Paris gunman passed through Greece| Reuters

I didn't say that. Still, what conclusions do you want to make? That ISIS have infiltrated France and committed these atrocities? Seems a pretty reasonable conclusion.

 

[ThatOneDude]

I didn't say that. Still, what conclusions do you want to make? That ISIS have infiltrated France and committed these atrocities? Seems a pretty reasonable conclusion.

that this refugee situation is being used to transport cells into Europe.

 

[Leigh]

that this refugee situation is being used to transport cells into Europe.

OK. Yes that's probably reasonable.

I have said in the past that UK and French Islamic terrorism has been homegrown. That is obviously no longer correct.

 

[ThatOneDude]

OK. Yes that's probably reasonable.

I have said in the past that UK and French Islamic terrorism has been homegrown. That is obviously no longer correct.

ok, I went back through the thread and it seems i misremebered something from this thread......i'll let this slide.......this time

 

[Masato Toys]

I don't buy the "Muslims are no more extreme than other cultures" line. They absolutely are in 2015. Maybe not centuries ago when Christians and other zealots killed in the name of religion, but that's how it is now.

I haven't read the thread much, so if this point has been addressed, feel free to point me to any responses.

I just have a hard time accepting that every middle east extremist is somehow being unfairly misrepresented among the pool of violent religious zealots of all religions. That seems to be one of those kumbaya type of responses people make to not sound bigoted. I think we need to grow some balls and call things what they are, not what we hope they should be. If brown people frokm the middle east show a disproportionately higher number of terroists incidents than those of other culture (not saying they do, but for the sake of argument let's say that's true), then they should absolutely be profiled in the name of security. That's another issue I think the PC crowd can't seem to grasp, the rationalization of profiling. If there's no factual basis for profiling a specific group of people then they shouldn't be profiled, likewise if there is a factual basis for profiling certain people more than others, they should be profiled. Public safety > the freedom not to get thoroughly searched.

The greatest extremist acts of terror happening in our day are NOT coming from muslims, but from Western Neo-Con and zionist ideologies. This is quite unarguable reality imo.

These people are so fanatical that they have decimated the entire Middle East, killing thousands constantly for years on end without cessation. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan - the list goes on. Before that, supporting violent coup after coup in central america, before that slaughtering millions in Vietnam, again the list goes on. Horror story after horror story of hellish mass murders over and over again in places like Cambodia and Laos. Research US Military operations since WWII alone, it is a HUMONGOUS list. No other nation, race, group or religion on earth can ever hope to compare to the blood they have on their hands.

I won't even get into what is happening in Palestine.

Point is that its ridiculous to point the finger at Muslims as being the greatest source of fanatical terror and violence in the world. Not just because their petty acts dwarf in comparison to the terror of the western/anglo/zion banking-military empires, but because it is precisely that western/anglo/zion banking-military empire that is the direct cause of whatever Muslim terror we see today.

Baffingly however, the mainstream media is doing a fantastic job of ignoring any acts of terror in the world, UNLESS it is done by muslims, and the majority still believe that the west is the innocent victim here. If your heart bleeds for Paris where is your heart for the muslims who endure this kind of terror EVERY DAY. But we don't see that shit on CNN, do we?

And if you think this 'invisible' terror from the west is not religious or ideological in nature, please think again. If you're gonna hate extremist terror, try to see that the elephant is right there in the room, and should get its share too

 

[FadeToBlack]

The greatest extremist acts of terror happening in our day are NOT coming from muslims, but from Western Neo-Con and zionist ideologies. This is quite unarguable reality imo.

These people are so fanatical that they have decimated the entire Middle East, killing thousands constantly every day for years. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan - the list goes on. Before that supporting violent coup after coup in central america, before that slaughtering millions in Vietnam, again the list goes on. Horror story after horror story of hellish mass murders over and over again in places like Cambodia and Laos. Research US Military operations since WWII alone, it is a HUMONGOUS list. No other nation, race, or religion on earth can ever hope to compare to the blood they have on their hands.

I won't even get into what is happening in Palestine.

Point is that its ridiculous to point the finger at Muslims as being the greatest source of fanatical terror and violence in the world. Not just because their petty acts dwarf in comparison to the western/anglo/zion banking-military empires, but because it is precisely that western/anglo/zion banking-military empire that is the direct cause of whatever Muslim terror we see today.

Baffingly however, the mainstream media is doing a fantastic job of ignoring any acts of terror in the world, UNLESS it is done by muslims, and the majority still believe that the west is the innocent victim here.

The West isn't innocent, but the reasons for these acts of violence are very different. For neo-cons, the reasons revolve around geopolitics and control, whereas Islam is based around a fairy tale that's believed to be true. At least neo-cons base their ideals in reality, whether their opinions are justified or unjustified can be debated, but at least they aren't killing in the same of Santa Claus or the Easter bunny.

 

[Masato Toys]

^ You don't understand Zionism then.

 

[ThatOneDude]

^ You don't understand Zionism then.

 

[Leigh]

The greatest extremist acts of terror happening in our day are NOT coming from muslims, but from Western Neo-Con and zionist ideologies. This is quite unarguable reality imo.

These people are so fanatical that they have decimated the entire Middle East, killing thousands constantly for years on end without cessation. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan - the list goes on. Before that, supporting violent coup after coup in central america, before that slaughtering millions in Vietnam, again the list goes on. Horror story after horror story of hellish mass murders over and over again in places like Cambodia and Laos. Research US Military operations since WWII alone, it is a HUMONGOUS list. No other nation, race, group or religion on earth can ever hope to compare to the blood they have on their hands.

I won't even get into what is happening in Palestine.

Point is that its ridiculous to point the finger at Muslims as being the greatest source of fanatical terror and violence in the world. Not just because their petty acts dwarf in comparison to the terror of the western/anglo/zion banking-military empires, but because it is precisely that western/anglo/zion banking-military empire that is the direct cause of whatever Muslim terror we see today.

Baffingly however, the mainstream media is doing a fantastic job of ignoring any acts of terror in the world, UNLESS it is done by muslims, and the majority still believe that the west is the innocent victim here. If your heart bleeds for Paris where is your heart for the muslims who endure this kind of terror EVERY DAY. But we don't see that shit on CNN, do we?

And if you think this 'invisible' terror from the west is not religious or ideological in nature, please think again. If you're gonna hate extremist terror, try to see that the elephant is right there in the room, and should get its share too

You are correct but your timing is pretty poor

 

[FadeToBlack]

I'll go a step further with this point: if your reasons for killing other people are things that can't POSSIBLY be validated or invalidated - like the belief of a supreme being, which hasn't and likely cannot ever be proven - then what's to ever stop these reasons from continuing on in perpetuity? Seriously, there's no way to stop that kind of violence.

For the neo-cons you speak of, their ideals can be challenged, proven false and so on. I'm not justifying murder, but at least there's a lesson people can learn from mistakes based on real, yet misguided ideals. What lesson can Islam possibly "learn" to make them sit back, pause and say, "Gee, we might be wrong here afterall." There is no lesson, as their beliefs are based on pure fantasy. It's a perpetual cycle of brainwashing that can never be proven untrue, so it persists. It's like a disease without a cure. Basically, religious fantaticism is the cancer of human thought.

 

[Masato Toys]

The West isn't innocent, but the reasons for these acts of violence are very different. For neo-cons, the reasons revolve around geopolitics and control, whereas Islam is based around a fairy tale that's believed to be true. At least neo-cons base their ideals in reality, whether their opinions are justified or unjustified can be debated, but at least they aren't killing in the same of Santa Claus or the Easter bunny.

Even if you take Zionism out of the equation... you're saying that if it 'based on geo-politics and control' and their 'ideals based in reality', that it makes their terror and mass murder OK?

That's what I'm talkin about, we've been trained to think that terror and murder is OK if it comes with a stamp of authority, or when the media cheers it on. Its OK when the good guys do it, right? But if someone else does it at 1/1000th the scale we all lose our minds. We're conditioned not to see the biggest monster humanity has ever seen, running amok, and teaching us to hate the anger of its victims

 

[Masato Toys]

I'll go a step further with this point: if your reasons for killing other people are things that can't POSSIBLY be validated or invalidated - like the belief of a supreme being, which hasn't and likely cannot ever be proven - then what's to ever stop these reasons from continuing on in perpetuity? Seriously, there's no way to stop that kind of violence.

For the neo-cons you speak of, their ideals can be challenged, proven false and so on. I'm not justifying murder, but at least there's a lesson people can learn from mistakes based on real, yet misguided ideals. What lesson can Islam possibly "learn" to make them sit back, pause and say, "Gee, we might be wrong here afterall." There is no lesson, as their beliefs are based on pure fantasy. It's a perpetual cycle of brainwashing that can never be proven untrue, so it persists. It's like a disease without a cure. Basically, religious fantaticism is the cancer of human thought.

Like I said, it seems you don't understand Zionism then.

 

[FadeToBlack]

Even if you take Zionism out of the equation... you're saying that if it 'based on geo-politics and control' and their 'ideals based in reality', that it makes their terror and mass murder OK?

That's what I'm talkin about, we've been trained to think that terror and murder is OK if it comes with a stamp of authority, or when the media cheers it on. Its OK when the good guys do it, right? But if someone else does it at 1/1000th the scale we all lose our minds. We're conditioned not to see the biggest monster humanity has ever seen, running amok, and teaching us to hate the anger of its victims

Yeah, I will stand behind that. I do believe reasons for killing or not killing play a significant factor, rather than just judging all murder through the same lens. If 100 people murdered a wife, and then 100 widowed husbands retaliated and murdered the killers, I wouldn't hold those acts on the same level as though 100 people murdered a baby because their parents told them Santa Claus or Bigfoot wanted them to.

 

[FadeToBlack]

Like I said, it seems you don't understand Zionism then.

I do understand Zionism, I just disagree that's why the U.S. supports Israel. It's not because we all love Judaism.

 

[Masato Toys]

what noble reasons do you find then for all their military foreign policy then? In what way can such violence be justified?

History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890

 

[FadeToBlack]

what noble reasons do you find then for all their military foreign policy then? In what way can such violence be justified?

History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890

I'm not sure justified is the word I'd use, but I can at least respect the fact that in a world of finite natural resources, if one country is more dominant and capable of imposing their will than another, I at least respect the desire to further one's self interests, because those interests are real. Money is real, power is real, economics are real, natural resources are real. Even if you believe Islam, Christianity or Judaism is real, one has to admit that after thousands of years, humans have done a rather inadequate job of proving their beliefs are real, while it's pretty much common knowledge that money = power in this world, as it's based on real observable data.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I didn't say that. Still, what conclusions do you want to make? That ISIS have infiltrated France and committed these atrocities? Seems a pretty reasonable conclusion.

I'm with you on this one. I didn't say it couldn't possibly have been refugees, I said don't jump to conclusions because thus far it's been homegrown. If we have facts saying it was in fact a refugee, that's a different story entirely. Do we know it was a refugee, or just that the person had a Syrian passport?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

The greatest extremist acts of terror happening in our day are NOT coming from muslims, but from Western Neo-Con and zionist ideologies. This is quite unarguable reality imo.

These people are so fanatical that they have decimated the entire Middle East, killing thousands constantly for years on end without cessation. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan - the list goes on. Before that, supporting violent coup after coup in central america, before that slaughtering millions in Vietnam, again the list goes on. Horror story after horror story of hellish mass murders over and over again in places like Cambodia and Laos. Research US Military operations since WWII alone, it is a HUMONGOUS list. No other nation, race, group or religion on earth can ever hope to compare to the blood they have on their hands.

I won't even get into what is happening in Palestine.

Point is that its ridiculous to point the finger at Muslims as being the greatest source of fanatical terror and violence in the world. Not just because their petty acts dwarf in comparison to the terror of the western/anglo/zion banking-military empires, but because it is precisely that western/anglo/zion banking-military empire that is the direct cause of whatever Muslim terror we see today.

Baffingly however, the mainstream media is doing a fantastic job of ignoring any acts of terror in the world, UNLESS it is done by muslims, and the majority still believe that the west is the innocent victim here. If your heart bleeds for Paris where is your heart for the muslims who endure this kind of terror EVERY DAY. But we don't see that shit on CNN, do we?

And if you think this 'invisible' terror from the west is not religious or ideological in nature, please think again. If you're gonna hate extremist terror, try to see that the elephant is right there in the room, and should get its share too

It's worth mentioning that their media does the exact same thing that ours does. Middle Easterners are as angry at the west for things that haven't ever happened, as things that have.

 

[Leigh]

I'm with you on this one. I didn't say it couldn't possibly have been refugees, I said don't jump to conclusions because thus far it's been homegrown. If we have facts saying it was in fact a refugee, that's a different story entirely. Do we know it was a refugee, or just that the person had a Syrian passport?

All I've heard on the news is that it was 1 Frenchman and 3 Germans.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

All I've heard on the news is that it was 1 Frenchman and 3 Germans.

I know a few people with passports from countries they weren't born in.

 

[Pitbull9]

The greatest extremist acts of terror happening in our day are NOT coming from muslims, but from Western Neo-Con and zionist ideologies. This is quite unarguable reality imo.

These people are so fanatical that they have decimated the entire Middle East, killing thousands constantly for years on end without cessation. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan - the list goes on. Before that, supporting violent coup after coup in central america, before that slaughtering millions in Vietnam, again the list goes on. Horror story after horror story of hellish mass murders over and over again in places like Cambodia and Laos. Research US Military operations since WWII alone, it is a HUMONGOUS list. No other nation, race, group or religion on earth can ever hope to compare to the blood they have on their hands.

I won't even get into what is happening in Palestine.

Point is that its ridiculous to point the finger at Muslims as being the greatest source of fanatical terror and violence in the world. Not just because their petty acts dwarf in comparison to the terror of the western/anglo/zion banking-military empires, but because it is precisely that western/anglo/zion banking-military empire that is the direct cause of whatever Muslim terror we see today.

Baffingly however, the mainstream media is doing a fantastic job of ignoring any acts of terror in the world, UNLESS it is done by muslims, and the majority still believe that the west is the innocent victim here. If your heart bleeds for Paris where is your heart for the muslims who endure this kind of terror EVERY DAY. But we don't see that shit on CNN, do we?

And if you think this 'invisible' terror from the west is not religious or ideological in nature, please think again. If you're gonna hate extremist terror, try to see that the elephant is right there in the room, and should get its share too

Oh please go into what is happening in Palestine. I would love to hear this.

 

[MadFatChickKilla]

Radical problems require radical solutions.

 

[Yossarian]

The greatest extremist acts of terror happening in our day are NOT coming from muslims, but from Western Neo-Con and zionist ideologies. This is quite unarguable reality imo.

These people are so fanatical that they have decimated the entire Middle East, killing thousands constantly for years on end without cessation. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan - the list goes on. Before that, supporting violent coup after coup in central america, before that slaughtering millions in Vietnam, again the list goes on. Horror story after horror story of hellish mass murders over and over again in places like Cambodia and Laos. Research US Military operations since WWII alone, it is a HUMONGOUS list. No other nation, race, group or religion on earth can ever hope to compare to the blood they have on their hands.

I won't even get into what is happening in Palestine.

Point is that its ridiculous to point the finger at Muslims as being the greatest source of fanatical terror and violence in the world. Not just because their petty acts dwarf in comparison to the terror of the western/anglo/zion banking-military empires, but because it is precisely that western/anglo/zion banking-military empire that is the direct cause of whatever Muslim terror we see today.

Baffingly however, the mainstream media is doing a fantastic job of ignoring any acts of terror in the world, UNLESS it is done by muslims, and the majority still believe that the west is the innocent victim here. If your heart bleeds for Paris where is your heart for the muslims who endure this kind of terror EVERY DAY. But we don't see that shit on CNN, do we?

And if you think this 'invisible' terror from the west is not religious or ideological in nature, please think again. If you're gonna hate extremist terror, try to see that the elephant is right there in the room, and should get its share too

Let's not blame the msulism for these attacks? It is our fault? It is Karma?

Why do you bring up world history? Is it time to trash the Germans for Hitler yet? Let me know when you get to the crusades....
you can go back in time to see who threw the first stone to rationalize these cowardly attacks all you want. Once you're done, you can point your finger to the west (not generalizing aren't we?).

This thread is about Paris and innocents being killed by Muslims. And you seem to have this need to rationlize this by bringing up world history that may or may not be related, speculative at best. The west is bad, so we got what was coming to us? We deserve this?

 

[Pitbull9]

Let's not blame the msulism for these attacks? It is our fault? It is Karma?

Why do you bring up world history? Is it time to trash the Germans for Hitler yet? Let me know when you get to the crusades....
you can go back in time to see who threw the first stone to rationalize these cowardly attacks all you want. Once you're done, you can point your finger to the west (not generalizing aren't we?).

This thread is about Paris and innocents being killed by Muslims. And you seem to have this need to rationlize this by bringing up world history that may or may not be related, speculative at best. The west is bad, so we got what was coming to us? We deserve this?

If you read his last couple posts it's clear what his real feelings are and what he thinks about all of this. Pretty sick.

 

[Qat]

If you read his last couple posts it's clear what his real feelings are and what he thinks about all of this. Pretty sick.

Are you even for real dude? You want to kill all Muslims and Arabs, and you call him sick?