General Alec Baldwin fired the gun that killed one and injured another in an accident set of his film "Rust."

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mysticmac

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Not technically true. He could have been pulling the hammer back, or releasing it forward (yes, I realize that putting the hammer forward technically means pulling the trigger, but I'm giving him leeway knowing he knows jack shit about firearms) and accidentally released it. In theory it shouldn't have enough force to set the round off, but it's not impossible.

My honest guess is that he's overcome with guilt and trying to rationalize anyway it could be not his fault. The problem he's creating for himself is that he's coming up with elaborate (and obvious) lies and these lies are making him seem less like someone involved in an accident, and someone who's trying to hide the truth.
If he was pulling it back before hitting the half cocked position and let the hammer go, there wouldn't have been enough force the fire a round. If he was pulling it back beyond half cocked without pulling the trigger and let the hammer go, it would have stopped at half cocked. As you said, if he was trying to set the hammer down after cocking the gun, and he would had to have pulled the trigger.
 

mysticmac

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I was actually just thinking "He's talking about guns the way anti-gun groups talk about guns."

Alec Baldwin in his next interview: "So I was just sitting down, having a coffee and many, many donuts. Thinking about how great I am, and then this gun just got up out of nowhere. Forced itself into my hand and then gunned down two people. I did everything I could to stop it, but it was just too powerful."
First he victim blamed stating she told him where to point the gun which I believe she likely did. She just didn't tell him to shoot her. I don't believe he knew there was a live round in the gun though, but that's another can of worms. That is why I don't think there is a case for murder, but then again it isn't like I know everything the investigators know.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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If he was pulling it back before hitting the half cocked position and let the hammer go, there wouldn't have been enough force the fire a round. If he was pulling it back beyond half cocked without pulling the trigger and let the hammer go, it would have stopped at half cocked. As you said, if he was trying to set the hammer down after cocking the gun, and he would had to have pulled the trigger.
As I said, I'm trying to give him the absolute most charitable interpretation.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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First he victim blamed stating she told him where to point the gun which I believe she likely did. She just didn't tell him to shoot her. I don't believe he knew there was a live round in the gun though, but that's another can of worms. That is why I don't think there is a case for murder, but then again it isn't like I know everything the investigators know.
It strikes me as negligence causing death.

Remember the girl who consensually shot her boyfriend and killed him? Didn't she get jail time for that?
 

mysticmac

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Boyfriend asks to be shot. Get shot, dies. Girlfriend goes to jail.

Seems like a a more innocent case than Mr "The gun followed me home and just went off"
Eh, I dunno. In that case, she clearly intended to shot a gun in his direction. At least Baldwin could say, "I f'ed up, pulled the trigger and didn't have a good grip on the hammer while I was trying to set it down." He likely won't say that, but the door is at least open for him to do so.

Also, it is unclear to me if setting the hammer down was even part of the shot for the movie. If not, why didn't he point the gun away from people before setting it down or hand it to someone else that actually knows what they are doing...?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Eh, I dunno. In that case, she clearly intended to shot a gun in his direction. At least Baldwin could say, "I f'ed up, pulled the trigger and didn't have a good grip on the hammer while I was trying to set it down." He likely won't say that, but the door is at least open for him to do so.

Also, it is unclear to me if setting the hammer down was even part of the shot for the movie. If not, why didn't he point the gun away from people before setting it down or hand it to someone else that actually knows what they are doing...?
With the gf/bf it was planned and consensual. Just went (predictably) wrong.
 

Filthy

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Murder or manslaughter. He had to have pulled the trigger in order to get a single action revolver to drop the hammer, so he's lying.
the weapon being loaded is not his responsibility. He's not guilty of any crime for the discharge of the weapon.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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the weapon being loaded is not his responsibility. He's not guilty of any crime for the discharge of the weapon.
That seems a little more tidy than the situation probably is. Negligence still seems very reasonable.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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he might be civilly responsible for the work conditions, but there's nothing criminal (or even negligent) about him pulling the trigger.
If the story is true about the producers (he's a producer) cutting corners that could definitely put negligence on him. There have also been multiple actors who have said that you're supposed to check guns yourself before using them.
 

mysticmac

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he might be civilly responsible for the work conditions, but there's nothing criminal (or even negligent) about him pulling the trigger.
Pulling the trigger of any gun when it is pointed at something that you don't want to shoot is always negligent whether it is loaded or not. That is a basic rule of gun safety.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Pulling the trigger of any gun when it is pointed at something that you don't want to shoot is always negligent whether it is loaded or not. That is a basic rule of gun safety.
In Canada it's a federal crime to point a gun at someone, loaded or not, regardless of intent.
 

Filthy

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Pulling the trigger of any gun when it is pointed at something that you don't want to shoot is always negligent whether it is loaded or not. That is a basic rule of gun safety.
not on a movie set.