General Alec Baldwin fired the gun that killed one and injured another in an accident set of his film "Rust."

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Filthy said:
@mysticmac - look at this way.

if the armorer and assistant hand you weapon and say "Cold Gun", you have verified the condition according to the safe handling rules on a movie set.
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If you are an adult, nobody can excuse you from personal responsibility. Ignorance is not an excuse. He was negligent.
 
mysticmac said:
If you are an adult, nobody can excuse you from personal responsibility. Ignorance is not an excuse. He was negligent.
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he took the care a reasonably prudent actor would take on a movie set.

by your definition, every actor who handles a gun on set is "negligent".

you're just wrong.
 
Pak protector said:
Hypothetical:
My mechanic gives me my car back and says the brakes are fixed.

I drive off and the brakes fail, and my car kills a few people.

Is that a paddlin'?
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When I pick my vehicle up from the shop, I verify the problem was fixed to my satisfaction prior to paying/leaving. If you didn't verify that your brakes were working before hitting the road at a high rate of speed, it's your fault.
 
Pak protector said:
Hypothetical:
My mechanic gives me my car back and says the brakes are fixed.

I drive off and the brakes fail, and my car kills a few people.

Is that a paddlin'?
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and actors are to perform safety tests on their vehicles.

and actors are to check the rigging for any stunts.

and actors are responsible for pre-flight checklists.
 
mysticmac said:
When I pick my vehicle up from the shop, I verify the problem was fixed to my satisfaction prior to paying/leaving. If you didn't verify that your brakes were working before hitting the road at a high rate of speed, it's your fault.
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do you do a walk-around safety inspection, check tire pressure, crawl under and check lines and fittings...
 
Robbie Hart said:
As much as it pains me, I agree with you
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not on a movie set.

movies have different rules because other measures are in place.

that's where Baldwin is liable, in allowing a live round on the set, or hiring the person who let a live round on set. (if that was within his direct responsibilities)
 
mysticmac said:
When I pick my vehicle up from the shop, I verify the problem was fixed to my satisfaction prior to paying/leaving. If you didn't verify that your brakes were working before hitting the road at a high rate of speed, it's your fault.
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Hypothetically, would you be held responsible for the outcome (vehicular manslaughter?) or the mechanic?
 
Filthy said:
how would a reasonably prudent person check high-speed braking without achieving a high speed?
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I kinda feel like most things that can happen, will. It's fairly certain without checking that this very scenario has played out more than once.

Also I kinda expected someone would tell me how shitty my analogy is
 
mysticmac said:
I already posted that he might not be legally negligent, and that doesn't mean he wasn't negligent.
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in what way was he negligent?

no live rounds on set.

weapon cleared by 2 people before he took possession.

he literally went by the book for movie sets. You have an unreasonable expectation of diligence for people handling props.

because they aren't firearms on a movie set, they are props.
 
Filthy said:
in what way was he negligent?

no live rounds on set.

weapon cleared by 2 people before he took possession.

he literally went by the book for movie sets. You have an unreasonable expectation of diligence for people handling props.

because they aren't firearms on a movie set, they are props.
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General - Alec Baldwin fired the gun that killed one and injured another in an accident set of his film "Rust."

It is negligent anywhere, criminal or not. it absolutely is not negligent. actors specifically go on to the set on the condition that they are not responsible for knowing the firing state of the weapon. they are not responsible for the firing condition, nor are they responsible for any...
themmacommunity.com
 
mysticmac said:
In handling any firearm, proper care is to verify the status of it yourself even when you watch someone else do it in front of you. That is not a responsibility that can be outsourced or delegated. Actors are suppose to be trained the basics of firearm safety for the gun(s) they need to handle for the movie.
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it is absolutely delegated by every actor in Hollywood.

They delegate it to the armorer to ensure that all weapons on the set are props, and not firearms.

cite me an industry or legal source that states otherwise.
 
Filthy said:
it is absolutely delegated by every actor in Hollywood.

They delegate it to the armorer to ensure that all weapons on the set are props, and not firearms.

cite me an industry or legal source that states otherwise.
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I did that earlier in this thread and made reference to the same source in this thread today. You can also watch the ABC interview where it was addressed.
 
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