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Rambo John J

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I followed the CDC guidelines and subscribe to said mailing list. I do not follow every press release. Feel free to show your work on the CDC showing that PCR is bunk.
Not calling it bunk, just calling it misused.

"The newly updated CDC guidelines don't require testing at the end of isolation because PCR tests can stay positive for up to 12 weeks, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told "Good Morning America" Wednesday."

12 Weeks guys






I don't think it is the proper test to begin with, but that is a different conversation.
 
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Not calling it bunk, just calling it misused.

"The newly updated CDC guidelines don't require testing at the end of isolation because PCR tests can stay positive for up to 12 weeks, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told "Good Morning America" Wednesday."

12 Weeks guys






I don't think it is the proper test to begin with, but that is a different conversation.

Yes. That's exactly what I said above.
This is not new And nobody in medicine is ignorant of this fact. Quite the contrary, it is individuals like certain school districts coming and telling me the physician which test I must give for a kid to go back to school. Which is absolutely ludicrous because it's like a principal telling me which imaging to order instead of just a doctor's note letting them go back.

Anyways...
Their point is that at the end of isolation, PCR testing is not useful. It is only useful for symptomatic individuals as a diagnostic tool. By the CDC's definition, you are at the end of isolation at a certain predetermine time period and with improvement in symptoms. This clinical scenario plus time is evidence-based that you have a low likelihood of shedding virus at a level significant for community spread.

They did not say to stop using PCR. They did not say PCR is a bad test in general. They did not say PCR is a bad test for coronavirus. If you walk in the hospital and are symptomatic with a clinical presentation that appears to be coronavirus PCR is an excellent test.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I think they are using the testing limitations as an excuse to change the protocol for testing...because simultaneously many other countries and health orgs are also changing protocols very recently.
I think they used the testing limitations as an excuse to further implement draconian measures.
 

Rambo John J

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Yes. That's exactly what I said above.
This is not new And nobody in medicine is ignorant of this fact. Quite the contrary, it is individuals like certain school districts coming and telling me the physician which test I must give for a kid to go back to school. Which is absolutely ludicrous because it's like a principal telling me which imaging to order instead of just a doctor's note letting them go back.

Anyways...
Their point is that at the end of isolation, PCR testing is not useful. It is only useful for symptomatic individuals as a diagnostic tool. By the CDC's definition, you are at the end of isolation at a certain predetermine time period and with improvement in symptoms. This clinical scenario plus time is evidence-based that you have a low likelihood of shedding virus at a level significant for community spread.

They did not say to stop using PCR. They did not say PCR is a bad test in general. They did not say PCR is a bad test for coronavirus. If you walk in the hospital and are symptomatic with a clinical presentation that appears to be coronavirus PCR is an excellent test.
If everybody is getting tested every time and all the times they get a symptom or are playing it safe before traveling(required or not) then it is certainly misused. Numbers will not represent active infections at all, they will be massively inflated(intentionally some would say). It is not being used properly and that is the point.

We can get into cycle count but I think you know something about that already.
Is cycle count standard across the board? It should be if PCR is the metric used to diagnose and measure outbreak or contact trace.

The 12 week afterward disclosure is absolutely not old news to the public, the public only knows a positive is a positive and holy shit I'm gonna die or infect everyone around me.

Your usage in your professional setting and the widespread public usage are not even close to the same thing.

I don't wanna debate or ruffle feathers, but a PCR positive can mean a lot of different things(depending on Cycle count and many other factors), and that is just now being told to the masses at this point...Sadly.

Have a good night guys, watching the 1883 series tonight...pretty good so far.
 

Rambo John J

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I think they used the testing limitations as an excuse to further implement draconian measures.
I wouldn't doubt that.

I also think "scarcity" of tests has been used in the past(not here but elsewhere), to drive measures and fear. Scarcity has always been a great marketing tactic, for selling product or a solution(measures and mandates in your case). I live in the land of people walking alone in masks and driving alone with masks on, they did a number on the heads of many here.

Where I live anybody and everybody can get tested, we have had drive thru testing sites for well over a year. Right next to the Vaccination sites.


I dunno guys, it all really sucks.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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What are y'all doing now?
If anyone in the household has one or more symptoms the household is required to isolate for 5 days. A negative test doesn't get you out, because you're not allowed to get a test unless you meet a specific criteria that only people who work in healthcare or live in retirement homes meet.

So if my wife gets the sniffles. We're all locked in the house for 5 days. If on day 4 I wake up with the sniffles that I've caught from my wife, add another 5 days.
 

Rambo John J

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@Splinty My lady got excited when I said I was talking with a doctor online.
She has a question, she is a medical geek and spends a few hours everyday learning medical stuff...Today her interest is Magnesium. She asked if you would answer a question if possible..

What amount of Magnesium do you administer if somebody comes into the hospital and has a heart arrhythmia?

She said she wants to have dinner if you ever come back in town lol. I just chuckled and said we don't always get along, said you might be a fellow Aries or something.
 
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BeardOfKnowledge

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It wasn't until you repeated the exact same video but added scary xfiles music that I believed you. Now I'm in. All the way in biggie.
Do you ever get patients who are insane, but you just agree with them?

"Of course covid is fake. Yeah, yeah, don't worry this is the "vaccine" *wink wink*. So, how's Q doing these days? Oh, that's great to hear"
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Despite your feelings on Malone...You gonna give it a listen?
Don't know. I don't listen to JRE very often anymore. But that is an extremely odd way to pose the question. It's not my "feeling" that he's a huckster. Anyone with a computer can figure that out in seconds. It's in his wikipedia page, lol.