General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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Sheepdog

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so the reliable sergei lavrov is suggesting that:

- russia chose to invade
- so that america could tie it down
- and then focus on china

how does that make any sense?
It makes perfect sense. Russia is a crucial ally of China. You suck it into a war, isolate it and make it weak. By making it weak you make China weaker.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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It makes perfect sense. Russia is a crucial ally of China. You suck it into a war, isolate it and make it weak. By making it weak you make China weaker.
russia stated that this isnt a war. that they are just going in as a peace-keeping force against ukranian nazis

so how does america factor into that?

is he suggesting that america funded the nazis?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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im still not following

so he is suggesting that america forced russia to invade, so that theyd get bogged down, which allows america to then focus on china?

sounds like hes playing a deranged victim card
Everyone in foreign policy is aware that certain things cause certain reactions. To us, they don't necessarily seem "obvious" because we aren't the type of psychopaths who want to have their thumbs on the scale of the world. This tweet might point you in the right direction:


View: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1494809960286507009
 

kaladin stormblessed

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Everyone in foreign policy is aware that certain things cause certain reactions. To us, they don't necessarily seem "obvious" because we aren't the type of psychopaths who want to have their thumbs on the scale of the world. This tweet might point you in the right direction:


View: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1494809960286507009
ok so let me reframe this

- russia is scared of NATO
- so they lie about nazis and invade a country
- things dont go very well
- financial sanctions cripple russian
- russia blames it on america

im not buying lasarovs logic at all

they didnt have to invade ukraine and murder men, women, and children. but they did. and now their country is suffering, which makes them less of a threat
 

kaladin stormblessed

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ill post a link when the clip is cut (not that any of you will watch it since its TYT)

but for what its worth, they said that a russian billionaire put out a $1mm bounty on putin for russian and international crimes
 

Sheepdog

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russia stated that this isnt a war. that they are just going in as a peace-keeping force against ukranian nazis

so how does america factor into that?

is he suggesting that america funded the nazis?
Well, yes, America did in fact fund the Nazis. Congress tried not to fund the Nazis but then they realized there was no way to fund the rest of the Ukrainian Government without funding the Nazis, so they just funded them anyway.

But that is really a minor issue in all of this.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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Well, yes, America did in fact fund the Nazis. Congress tried not to fund the Nazis but then they realized there was no way to fund the rest of the Ukrainian Government without funding the Nazis, so they just funded them anyway.

But that is really a minor issue in all of this.
the main issue is that russia is run by a dictator that kills people who dissent

and he has gotten desperate since a growing number of the russian population is eager for a democratic russia.
 

Rambo John J

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I estimate I’ve sat live at 2,500+ MMA fights

The Weidman injury made me nauseous and I had to take an arena walk to avoid puking in my seat.
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I didn't like that one
leg break is the worst one to watch
probably way worse in person because of the sound and no camera cutting away from it

chris is still my boy but that was a doozy
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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ok so let me reframe this

- russia is scared of NATO
- so they lie about nazis and invade a country
- things dont go very well
- financial sanctions cripple russian
- russia blames it on america

im not buying lasarovs logic at all

they didnt have to invade ukraine and murder men, women, and children. but they did. and now their country is suffering, which makes them less of a threat
- NATO was founded as a military alliance to deal with Russia
- Russia doesn't want NATO involved with the largest European country it borders
- America (NATO) knows that by pressing the issue they'll back Russia into a corner
- NATO backs Russia into said corner
- Russia starts preemptive, retaliatory war. (<- Yes, I know how stupid that sounds. Think Iraq 03 "We need to go fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here"
- With Russia now crippled financially and tied up in a war America no longer needs to pay attention to them if they decide to go after China.

For the record, I'm not saying Lavrov is being honest, or right, but it's not like it doesn't make any sense.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Well, yes, America did in fact fund the Nazis. Congress tried not to fund the Nazis but then they realized there was no way to fund the rest of the Ukrainian Government without funding the Nazis, so they just funded them anyway.

But that is really a minor issue in all of this.
That's a really funny thing to read.
 

Wintermute

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Everyone in foreign policy is aware that certain things cause certain reactions. To us, they don't necessarily seem "obvious" because we aren't the type of psychopaths who want to have their thumbs on the scale of the world. This tweet might point you in the right direction:


View: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1494809960286507009

Lol at Russia worrying that Ukraine joining NATO would cause a civil war or a split amongst the ethnic Russian populace so Russia was so worried they went ahead and help a civil war and a split with the ethnic Russian population... As they've done in three other frozen conflicts.

I don't think Russia's worry about Ukraine joining NATO is about destabilizing the neighborhood given their willingness to repeatedly make that "worry" happen.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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are you arguing just to argue. i was obiously referring to russian dissidents.

ps. fuck america. snowden is a hero
I get annoyed with people saying "Well, Putin is a *insert thing every leader does*!!!" as if that's supposed to be a reason to start a war.

The "They're killing kids last night." was one of the more absurd ones. Especially how often you find out stuff like that is made up to sell a war "Pulling babies out of incubators" anyone?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Lol at Russia worrying that Ukraine joining NATO would cause a civil war or a split amongst the ethnic Russian populace so Russia was so worried they went ahead and help a civil war and a split with the ethnic Russian population... As they've done in three other frozen conflicts.

I don't think Russia's worry about Ukraine joining NATO is about destabilizing the neighborhood given their willingness to repeatedly make that "worry" happen.
Is this a serious post?