General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

[member 1013]

I'll give it a listen. Not liking the "character" of the sources though. Not a fan of
Henry Kissinger. He has an agenda and was heavily involved int eh "Petro Dollar".

I have several books on him from back when I actually believed
the US government on some things

Okay but Gorbachev who was the leader of the USSR said the same thing. Source: this brief but cited article:

Opinion: The many delusions of Russia-Ukraine ‘realists’

A conspiracy-minded and revisionist view of Russia’s troop accumulation – one that calls for Western democracies to do nothing – is threatening to take hold

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

I don't mind her for the about 4 minutes I've seen of her in my life.

She seems clear, more informed and less hysterical than other people's champ Tucker.

Tucker and Fox are both on record saying essentially

"No reasonable person would believe that anything Tucker saying is true".

Yet they call themselves "News"

CNN not much better

MSNBC not much better either.

I checked out on American media long ago....

 

[member 1013]

@Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $ past the paywall:


The realist also appears to be in thrall to some remarkable historical revisionism. The “promise to Russia” was a promise restricted to a single country that no longer exists, the former East Germany, made to the president of another country that no longer exists – who has stated it has no application beyond that. By contrast, Russia is a signatory not only of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum with Ukraine, in which it promised to respect its independence and territorial integrity, but the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act, in which it consented to the very NATO enlargement it now decries. Indeed, at the time it was envisaged Russia would one day join NATO.

 

[SongExotic2]

By no means am I claiming to not fall victim to fake news. For this topic of NATO expansion being the reason to justify invasion, that’s a big allegation so i started looking. The guy in the video is former deputy Secretary of State and his version can be verified. The link I sent, this one here

Setting the Record Straight on NATO Enlargement | Interview with Robert Zoellick, U.S. Lead Negotiator in 2+4 Talks on German Reunification

and others show agreements by all parties and transcripts that be be found simple enough.

What the fuck are you on about baldie? NATO is a defensive force.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Poland doesn’t like Russia

there is a bit of a history there

Poland's ability to get the shit end of the stick throughout the 1900's really was incredible.

 

[NotBanjaxo]

EXCLUSIVE: Deleted Web Pages Show Obama Led an Effort To Build a Ukraine-Based BioLab Handling 'Especially Dangerous Pathogens'.

The archived web page this article refers to...

Biolab opens in Ukraine | Bio Prep Watch

U.S. Sen. Dick Lugar applauded the opening of the Interim Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa, Ukraine, this week, announcing that it will be instrumental in researching dangerous pathogens used...

web.archive.org

...specifically states a level 3 lab @Lars, not the level 2s you were referring to earlier (not sure if you caught that part).

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

Homies... This is a nothing burger.
If you take the time to research the multiple other labs doing the same training and research all around the former Soviet Union You will see why this lab was funded.



But let's run with the theory. Why exactly do you think that the United States, which has military bases all over the world, and even has area 51 in the desert that US citizens can't get to, would develop a nefarious bio weapons lab in an unsecured third-party location in a country where there are interest directly against the United States that could easily access novel agents? What exactly about being next to Russia do you imagine? Do you think that if we developed bio weapons at some secured site where the Russians couldn't bomb the building, steal our bioweapons,etc that we couldn't transport, it? The theory is that we need to put our bio weapons out where anybody can attack or steal them?

"Homies... This is a nothing burger."

All I have to say in opposition is that burgers are not "nothing".

Today is my diet cheat day and these White Castle burgers are delicioius and very meaningful

...ie they matter.

BLM

Burger's Lives matter!

 

[Rambo John J]

The archived web page this article refers to...

Biolab opens in Ukraine | Bio Prep Watch

U.S. Sen. Dick Lugar applauded the opening of the Interim Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa, Ukraine, this week, announcing that it will be instrumental in researching dangerous pathogens used...

web.archive.org

...specifically states a level 3 lab @Lars, not the level 2s you were referring to earlier (not sure if you caught that part).

They were only level 2 dude.!

Drop it right now or else...

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member 1]

@Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $ past the paywall:


The realist also appears to be in thrall to some remarkable historical revisionism. The “promise to Russia” was a promise restricted to a single country that no longer exists, the former East Germany, made to the president of another country that no longer exists – who has stated it has no application beyond that. By contrast, Russia is a signatory not only of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum with Ukraine, in which it promised to respect its independence and territorial integrity, but the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act, in which it consented to the very NATO enlargement it now decries. Indeed, at the time it was envisaged Russia would one day join NATO.

Putin himself okayed NATO expansion as long as NATO continued to be the political organization, as he described it, that it had become by the early 2000s.

I think the fact that both Putin was okay with expansion and its current moves at that time as well as Putin's stated. Hope that Russia would eventually join NATO pretty much puts a wash on any arguments back and forth about the '90s.

Putin's gripe is that he views NATO as being remilitarized and that started with the removal of the anti-ballistic missile shield treaty and us placing a missile shield in those NATO countries.

NATO expansion without foreign troops, a missile shield, or offensive missiles in those eastern countries would be the same scenario as 2001 that Putin was okay with.
And quite frankly, I'm kind of okay with that as a compromise. Anything beyond that pretty much just highlights Putins interest in not losing the ability to subvert and puppet those countries. Which is of course the other part of this.

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

I don’t believe anything Putin says based on him consistently lying, being deceitful and trying to kill people.

Yeah I know he lies. No argument from me there.

However the US is just as good at lying.

Operation Northwoods and Operation paperclip both come to mind off the top of my head

Northwoods - US False Flag operation on Cuba

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against American citizens that originated within the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Paperclip -

Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 Nazi German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from former Nazi Germany to the U.S. for government employment after the end of World War II

Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Too many liars on all sides to trust any one of them. I should probably
just stick to what I do best. Making money off the markets, running predatory
hedgefund trading algorithms and saying to hell with it all

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Yea they’ve fought a lot historically and the USSR was not kind to them.

looks like the states is walking it back doe


View: https://twitter.com/MichaelDeMatteo/status/1501373637441560591?s=20&t=hvh8IZ63cnpGTTxM_UHB_Q

I love the this stuff is going on out in the open and people are still like "No, no. NATO isn't fucking around in Ukraine."

 

[NotBanjaxo]

Russians are queueing to grab a last taste of Maccy D!


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t9r4ow/russians_waiting_in_massive_queues_after/

I'm lovin' it!

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Okay but Gorbachev who was the leader of the USSR said the same thing. Source: this brief but cited article:

Opinion: The many delusions of Russia-Ukraine ‘realists’

A conspiracy-minded and revisionist view of Russia’s troop accumulation – one that calls for Western democracies to do nothing – is threatening to take hold

www.theglobeandmail.com

Sort of, and we've been over this ad nauseam, both the interview that was posted with the dude who was involved and the article you posted often frame things as "We agreed, but things changed. Then we agreed again, but you know, they changed again." Someone tried to argue that "an assurance is nothing like a promise".

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

I love the this stuff is going on out in the open and people are still like "No, no. NATO isn't fucking around in Ukraine."

There is no way in hell with all the lying, proxy wars, coups and regime changing
wars the US has backed and or facilitated that we are not doing some underhanded
slick shit over in Ukraine.

Thats just me though. I have no solid proof the US is involved directly in Ukraine at the moment.

 

[NotBanjaxo]

Not only McDonalds, also Starbucks, Coca-cola and Pepsi have now pulled out of Russia.

Iconic U.S. brands Coca-Cola, Pepsi, McDonald's and Starbucks suspend business in Russia

In recent days, all four companies have drawn criticism for continuing to operate in Russia while other U.S. companies backed out and paused sales.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

Not only McDonalds, also Starbucks, Coca-cola and Pepsi have now pulled out of Russia.

Iconic U.S. brands Coca-Cola, Pepsi, McDonald's and Starbucks suspend business in Russia

In recent days, all four companies have drawn criticism for continuing to operate in Russia while other U.S. companies backed out and paused sales.

www.cnbc.com

Not surprised

Political theater though. These fucks will be right back in Russia making profits the very
second its politically acceptable again

 

[Rambo John J]

Thats just me though. I have no solid proof the US is involved directly in Ukraine at the moment.

You have Logic

 

[NotBanjaxo]

Not surprised

Political theater though. These fucks will be right back in Russia making profits the very
second its politically acceptable again

True, but it shows the strength of consumer power.

They tried to just quietly go on with their business, but #boycottmcdonalds and #boycottcoke started trending and they changed their stance.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Putin himself okayed NATO expansion as long as NATO continued to be the political organization, as he described it, that it had become by the early 2000s.

I think the fact that both Putin was okay with expansion and its current moves at that time as well as Putin's stated. Hope that Russia would eventually join NATO pretty much puts a wash on any arguments back and forth about the '90s.

Putin's gripe is that he views NATO as being remilitarized and that started with the removal of the anti-ballistic missile shield treaty and us placing a missile shield in those NATO countries.

NATO expansion without foreign troops, a missile shield, or offensive missiles in those eastern countries would be the same scenario as 2001 that Putin was okay with.
And quite frankly, I'm kind of okay with that as a compromise. Anything beyond that pretty much just highlights Putins interest in not losing the ability to subvert and puppet those countries. Which is of course the other part of this.

Isn't nice to see him coming around @Sheepdog ?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

True, but it shows the strength of consumer power.

They tried to just quietly go on with their business, but #boycottmcdonalds and #boycottcoke started trending and they changed their stance.

I think you have it flipped to be honest. They'll get more of a bump by pretending to care, than they would sticking it out. I remember reading an article a year or 2 ago about how McDonald's was contracting in Russia. If you're already not making money there, close the store and take the "We're nice guys!" advertising bump. Virtue signaling: 101.

 

[NotBanjaxo]

I think you have it flipped to be honest. They'll get more of a bump by pretending to care, than they would sticking it out. I remember reading an article a year or 2 ago about how McDonald's was contracting in Russia. If you're already not making money there, close the store and take the "We're nice guys!" advertising bump. Virtue signaling: 101.

I'm not sure you got what I was saying there.

McDonald's, Coke etc. wanted to carry on doing business with Russia, well after many other major companies had pulled out. They began to get called out about it, which only increased as time went by. It's a PR move to stop doing business in Russia to be sure, but one that was triggered by consumer action.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I'm not sure you got what I was saying there.

McDonald's, Coke etc. wanted to carry on doing business with Russia, well after many other major companies had pulled out. They began to get called out about it, which only increased as time went by. It's a PR move to stop doing business in Russia to be sure, but one that was triggered by consumer action.

You're conflating social pressure with consumer action. Not a single person didn't go to McDonald's today because of twitter hashtag.

 

[NotBanjaxo]

You're conflating social pressure with consumer action. Not a single person didn't go to McDonald's today because of twitter hashtag.

Lol OK, potential consumer action.

If they had continued with their Russian operations, there would have been protests and boycotts.

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

Friend of mine just sent me this. Here's another take on things.

No idea who she is but I guess her thoughts are just as valid as all the other sides to the story.

Governments have ruined any trust in media the world over. One giant web of lies


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob9YXUe6GdM




Why lying dooms us all...

Jon Snow said it BEST!


View: https://youtu.be/7uUAUDGl5-U?t=28

 

[NotBanjaxo]

You know how there are allegations of paedophilia in US political circles?

Turns out there are allegations of that in Russia too. Well at least there were, until the guy who made them "poisoned himself" with polonium 210 (as stated by Russian officials).

Alexander Litvinenko 'murdered because he accused Putin of being a paedophile'

Mr Litvinenko wrote an article making the accusations four months before he was poisoned

www.independent.co.uk

EDIT: There may be a paywall for that article, so read for free at this link:

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