General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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BeardOfKnowledge

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Kinzinger is a cunt as much as Tucker is a cunt. But he's not wrong to see the futility in it.

Going on Fox/CNN/MSNBC is not a debate stage and you are not talking to good faith actors. They get to cut you off, shout you down, laugh off any good points you make and kick you out as they say fit. It's really easy for them to make you look bad and themselves good.

If we wanted to be serious about echo chambers, we would recognize that using deliberate, shady techniques designed to discredit counter-arguments is equally part of the problem as refusing to debate people who disagree with you in the first place.
I liked how he lead with "Russia being provoked is a lie." when we all know that was widely accepted until 3 weeks ago. The old video that resurfaced of Joe Biden saying it publicly in the 90s was just tremendous.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Eh Bud, why didn't you just say that eh.
Because when people jump in, in the middle of something with no context and are looking for a "gotcha" I have no interest in holding their hand.

Any Canadian with a first grade reading level knows what these free trade agreements have done to the middle and lower class.
 

Sheepdog

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I liked how he lead with "Russia being provoked is a lie." when we all know that was widely accepted until 3 weeks ago. The old video that resurfaced of Joe Biden saying it publicly in the 90s was just tremendous.
There is no doubt that the neo-red-baiting smearing of even cunts like Tucker is a big problem, and it's been happening ever since they went full tinfoil hat with the Trump Manchurian Candidate thing.

I don't blame Tucker for wanting to bring Kinzinger on to go after him, but I also don't blame the latter for staying away.

It wouldn't have much to do with echo chambers, it would just be two pieces of shit trying to smear each other.
 

NotBanjaxo

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I’m not up on the latest military strategy, why do I keep seeing so many tanks rolling solo?
Russia has forgotten how to fight a war, that's the best explanation I have seen for the way it uses it's tanks and armoured vehicles.

There have been multiple videos of them rolling straight into obvious ambush spots either alone or in convoys, driving down the middle of main roads, seemingly without air or infantry support. That has been going on since the start.

I've seen several people opine that this is due to a lack of proper command structure in the lower ranks, and a fear of improvising once the original battle plan starts to go wrong. So the plan may be for mobile infantry to scout ahead, then for anti aircraft positions to be established, before the armour advances; however if those first two things don't happen as planned, the armour still carries on regardless as they are afraid to disobey orders.

I'm no military expert, so I don't know if that is true.
 

Sheepdog

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Eh bruv, what do you make of the Ukrainian defence minister tweeting this?


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1503364312454377481


Now tempers flare and hatred of the invaders makes sense, but notice that he says 'Russian world', not just Russia.

But I am sure there is certainly nothing to worry about for Russian-speaking Ukrainians who are no longer considered slavs, but orcs. That kind of rhetoric has never had any bad consequences, particularly in war time.
 

NotBanjaxo

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Eh bruv, what do you make of the Ukrainian defence minister tweeting this?


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1503364312454377481


Now tempers flare and hatred of the invaders makes sense, but notice that he says 'Russian world', not just Russia.

But I am sure there is certainly nothing to worry about for Russian-speaking Ukrainians who are no longer considered slavs, but orcs. That kind of rhetoric has never had any bad consequences, particularly in war time.
The "orcs" reference is something I'm seeing crop up more and more, and I agree it's troubling.

It's the same way that leaders and governments have encouraged people to fight for hundreds of years, by dehumanising the enemy.
 

NotBanjaxo

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That has reminded me of an old story about the time a French warship wrecked off the English coast near Hartlepool in the 19th century.

Supposedly, the only survivor was the ship's mascot, a monkey which was dressed in French military uniform. Since people living there had never seen a Frenchman, and propaganda cartoons of the day depicted the French as monkey like creatures (sometimes with claws and a tail), they had an impromptu trial on the beach, found the monkey's lack of intelligible answers to be a sign of guilt, and hung it.

To this day, people from Hartlepool are known as "monkey hangers".



 

Sheepdog

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The "orcs" reference is something I'm seeing crop up more and more, and I agree it's troubling.

It's the same way that leaders and governments have encouraged people to fight for hundreds of years, by dehumanising the enemy.
We're not just talking about the foreign invaders here though, we are also talking about a big proportion of the domestic civilian population who are no longer considered humans.

Fears about genocide can't be dismissed when you hear open talk like this from people in positions like that.