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Sheepdog said:
Bollocks that it only refers to the political apparatus.

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'The Russian world (Russian: Русский мир, romanized: Russkiy mir, lit. 'Russian world', 'Russian order', 'Russian community'; Latin: Pax Rossica, Pax Russica)[1][2][3] is the social totality associated with Russian culture. Russkiy Mir is the core culture of Russia and is in interaction with the diverse cultures of Russia through traditions, history and the Russian language. It comprises also the Russian diaspora with its influence in the world.'

I am surprised that you are silly enough to think rhetoric like 'not slavs' and 'orcs', in reference to the 'Russian world' isn't treading down a dangerous path in such circumstances.

Even if you personally want to interpret it as only a reference to Russian political leadership, there is no objective basis for that to be the only or even most logical way to interpret it. Dehumanizing language doesn't even need to be direct - dog whistling can achieve the same thing - but this is actually very direct.

I am also aware that Putin exploits the Russian World concept to pursue his own imperialist agenda, but the difference is that I don't defend that piece of shit.
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I edited that within a minute and extended it to Russian cultural influence as well because it wasn’t a well articulated sentence.

the rest of that is just more of your alarmism, feelings and subscription to a narrative of Ukranians as bloodthirsty savages that hate anyone who speaks Russian. You keep coming back to it. You’re fixated on something in your own imagination.

you’re also clearly not psychologically fit for war or defending yourself. You're doing an awful lot of projecting.
 
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Lars said:
That has basically been crushed. Look where they are fighting now, mostly in “Russian” cities. Former outspoken russophone loyalists have basically all renounced that loyalty and taken up arms. Other influential ones have fled Ukraine. If you’re referring to Russia’s BS DPR and LPR regimes and the Crimean “vote,” then lol. Odessa was one of the most pro-Russian cities with a pro-Russian mayor, now it’s a fortress where people like my cousin who have never handled a gun are waiting for the Ruskies.
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That doesn't answer the question at all. I was simply asking of those people would fit under that umbrella.
 
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Lars said:
I edited that within a minute and extended it to Russian cultural influence as well because it wasn’t a well articulated sentence.

the rest of that is just more of your alarmism, feelings and subscription to a narrative of Ukranians as bloodthirsty savages that hate anyone who speaks Russian. You keep coming back to it. You’re fixated on something in your own imagination.
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Bruv, if you can't see the problem with that rhetoric, then I can't really help you. It's simple ignorance, wilful or otherwise, on your part.

I didn't actually think you would defend it. I was expecting you to go 'yeah, that's pretty fucked up but it's a war and people say bad things'. But the fact you would actually try to justify it with a very specious argument is not good.

Sad! - as a stable genius would say.
 
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BeardOfKnowledge said:
That doesn't answer the question at all. I was simply asking of those people would fit under that umbrella.
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I don’t know dude, what does 1 + 1 equal? What happened to those that aided the occupier in other wars? They fucked around and found out, like the new mayor in Melitopol will.
 
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Bruv, if you can't see the problem with that rhetoric, then I can't really help you. It's simple ignorance, wilful or otherwise, on your part.

I didn't actually think you would defend it. I was expecting you to go 'yeah, that's pretty fucked up but it's a war and people say bad things'. But the fact you would actually try to justify it with a very specious argument is not good.

Sad! - as a stable genius would say.
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I’m not trying to justify anything, I’m saying your interpretation of the comment and where it will lead is hysterical and hyperbolic.
 
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Lars said:
I’m not trying to justify anything, I’m saying your interpretation of the comment and where it will lead is hysterical and hyperbolic.
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Dude.

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I don’t know dude, what does 1 + 1 equal? What happened to those that aided the occupier in other wars? They fucked around and found out, like the new mayor in Melitopol will.
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BeardOfKnowledge said:
Dude.
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People that helped an occupying force to establish illegitimate government commit treason, and to act like they wouldn’t and shouldn’t be punished if the war ends is silly.

as for people that hold an opinion, that’s different.
 
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Lars said:
I’m not trying to justify anything, I’m saying your interpretation of the comment and where it will lead is hysterical and hyperbolic.
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There's obviously a lot, lot worse in Ukrainian media. My favorite was the one guy who said he wants to become Adolf Eichmann and kill every Russian child (yes, this is actually what he said, in great detail).

I didn't post anything about it because, unlike what you're accusing me of doing, I didn't see any cause for alarm as I expect nuts to appear during an invasion. But when the defence minister starts using similar language, it's worth talking about.

My main problem is that the West can easily stop it, so there's no need to justify it. One call from Biden that says 'hey dipshit, post any retarded shit like that on twitter again and no more javelins' and it would cease.
 
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Lars said:
People that helped an occupying force to establish illegitimate government is treason, and to act like they wouldn’t and shouldn’t be punished if the war ends is silly.

as for people that hold an opinion, that’s different.
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Uh, I asked about Ukrainians holding an opinion.
 
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There's obviously a lot, lot worse in Ukrainian media. My favorite was the one guy who said he wants to become Adolf Eichmann and kill every Russian child (yes, this is actually what he said, in great detail).

I didn't post anything about it because, unlike what you're accusing me of doing, I didn't see any cause for alarm as I expect nuts to appear during an invasion. But when the defence minister starts using similar language, it's worth talking about.

My main problem is that the West can easily stop it, so there's no need to justify it. One call from Biden that says 'hey dipshit, post any retarded shit like that on twitter again and no more javelins' and it would cease.
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You have all the best ideas
 
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Lars said:
The Ukrainians will of course, round them up and kill them all slowly through torture. They will then roast the children (most tender meat) on spits before feasting upon them.
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It's what I would expect.
 
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