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[Filthy]

I am repeating your list. Because you spent dozens of pages telling me about how because I think we should have better training and permitting as requirements for many types of guns that it won't work. You constantly reference Mexico and muh dozers.

But when I walk through a list of high gun ownership, low gun crime countries, what I find is that their firearms are highly permitted requiring training and licensing. Just like I keep suggesting we should do and you have suggested we just turn us into Mexico.

more single source fallacy.

what's their population and dispersion? What's their income disparity? How is access to mental health care?

why won't you walk me through how this system gets implemented, what it will cost, and what it will benefit?

because I look at Mexico and think that if we continue to prosecute the drug war we'll continue to have high rates of violence.

 

[Filthy]

Can you dumb that down for me

it's an unrealistic fantasy, until you see it acted out in front of you over and over again.

 

[Filthy]

@Splinty - are you going to solve all violent crime with this system of gun registration and permitting, or just stop school shootings?

 

[Splinty]

Germany

Gun control in Germany - Wikipedia

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Permitting and training requirements. You can pick up a 22 caliber gun with no licensing. The rest have categories. Guns for random personal defense are heavily restricted.

 

[Filthy]

I contend the US is more like Mexico than it is like Austria when we're talking about violent crime

 

[Filthy]

Germany

Gun control in Germany - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Permitting and training requirements. You can pick up a 22 caliber gun with no licensing. The rest have categories. Guns for random personal defense are heavily restricted.

go ahead and start your list of gov'ts that have highly restrictive firearm ownership and are oppressors of human rights.

it's going to take a while.

 

[Splinty]

@Splinty - are you going to solve all violent crime with this system of gun registration and permitting, or just stop school shootings?

I'm going to stop a great majority of gun crime and with that stop a significant portion of aggravated assaults that are converted successfully to murders.
"Stopping violent crime", which ignores that guns allow untrained idiots to convert non-deadly violence to deadly violence at a larger scale and more often, requires solving income inequality primarily as that is the closest metric that results in a direct correlation with reduction in violence overall.

 

[Filthy]

@Splinty- i brought up those countries, I already know their laws.

stop jerking yourself off and answer some basic questions.

"muh permits!!!"

 

[Splinty]

go ahead and start your list of gov'ts that have highly restrictive firearm ownership and are oppressors of human rights.

it's going to take a while.

 

[Filthy]

I'm going to stop a great majority of gun crime and with that stop a significant portion of aggravated assaults that are converted successfully to murders.
"Stopping violent crime", which ignores that guns allow untrained idiots to convert non-deadly violence to deadly violence at a larger scale and more often, requires solving income inequality primarily as that is the closest metric that results in a direct correlation with reduction in violence overall.

what about rapes? do you think it will have a positive or negative impact on the rate of rapes and other violence against women?

EDIT - you'll stop gun crime...so you don't mind crime that's not committed with a gun?

 

[Filthy]

keep jerking yourself off.

 

[Splinty]

@Splinty- i brought up those countries, I already know their laws.

stop jerking yourself off and answer some basic questions.

"muh permits!!!"

You brought them up. I'm simply looking into the details to see how they're doing it. They have high gun ownership and low crime, so let's follow their lead. Just like you're suggesting. It looks like they all have classifications and permits and training requirements. So let's do that. You brought them up as examples, so let's do it.

Also, what's very interesting is that the " High gun ownership rate in those countries" is actually 12% in most of them. Their ownership is about 1/3 of hours. Are you suggesting we need less guns as well since those are great countries to model ourselves after?

 

[member 1013]

I contend the US is more like Mexico than it is like Austria when we're talking about violent crime

yes

exactly

it’s a shithole

 

[Filthy]

i'm really falling in love with @Splinty's world where we write laws and everyone obeys.

how many otherwise law-abiding people to you think you'll end up having to imprison?

give me a round number.

 

[Filthy]

You brought them up. I'm simply looking into the details to see how they're doing it. They have high gun ownership and low crime, so let's follow their lead. Just like you're suggesting. It looks like they all have classifications and permits and training requirements. So let's do that. You brought them up as examples, so let's do it.

Also, what's very interesting is that the " High gun ownership rate in those countries" is actually 12% in most of them. Their ownership is about 1/3 of hours. Are you suggesting we need less guns as well since those are great countries to model ourselves after?

correct, about a third. the next nearest country has about half of our gun-ownership rates.

i'm pointing out that it's more about society in general than access to any particular weapon.

you're getting cause and effect reversed.

 

[Filthy]

yes

exactly

it’s a shithole

how much time have you spent in Mexico?

Costa Rica and Puerto Rico (a US territory) are also "third world"?

 

[member 3289]

I contend the US is more like Mexico than it is like Austria when we're talking about violent crime

Easily the stupidest thing I'll read today.

You have clearly never been to Mexico.

 

[Splinty]

what about rapes? do you think it will have a positive or negative impact on the rate of rapes and other violence against women?

Lol

In case you're actually serious. No it will not.
Less than 8% of all justified homicides, aka probably self-defense, are performed by women.

A gun in the house is significantly more likely to be used to kill a woman than it is and her defense.

Rapes fall into the scenario of two primary means. One is date rape in which intoxicated substances are often involved, most likely alcohol, and the presence of a gun would have little to no effect in defense of that intoxicated woman.

The other type of rape is primarily about power and abuse and is most likely to occur unexpectedly by somebody that woman knows and often occurs in the private residence of one of them. In that case, a gun would only be useful if it was already on the person and I would contend that most women do not walk around their home with their gun on their person When the boyfriend unexpectedly rapes them. And as domestic violence stats show, once again, no matter the reasoning, the gun in the home is much more likely to be used by the spouse to kill the woman than it is for her to defend herself.

 

[Filthy]

Lol

In case you're actually serious. No it will not.
Less than 8% of all justified homicides, aka probably self-defense, are performed by women.

A gun in the house is significantly more likely to be used to kill a woman than it is and her defense.

Rapes fall into the scenario of two primary means. One is date rape in which intoxicated substances are often involved, most likely alcohol, and the presence of a gun would have little to no effect in defense of that intoxicated woman.

The other type of rape is primarily about power and abuse and is most likely to occur unexpectedly by somebody that woman knows and often occurs in the private residence of one of them. In that case, a gun would only be useful if it was already on the person and I would contend that most women do not walk around their home with their gun on their person When the boyfriend unexpectedly rapes them. And as domestic violence stats show, once again, no matter the reasoning, the gun in the home is much more likely to be used by the spouse to kill the woman than it is for her to defend herself.

so why does Australia have so many rapes?

 

[Splinty]

so why does Australia have so many rapes?

No idea. Why is the sky blue?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I'm going to stop a great majority of gun crime and with that stop a significant portion of aggravated assaults that are converted successfully to murders.
"Stopping violent crime", which ignores that guns allow untrained idiots to convert non-deadly violence to deadly violence at a larger scale and more often, requires solving income inequality primarily as that is the closest metric that results in a direct correlation with reduction in violence overall.

If that were true other countries which enacted stricter firearms measures would have seen drastic violent crime and suicide reductions. They didn't. Most of those countries are still continuing to enact stricter measures even though they won't address any of the issues. I believe we're getting our 3rd round of new gun laws introduced on Monday in as many years.

 

[Filthy]

Easily the stupidest thing I'll read today.

You have clearly never been to Mexico.

i've been to mexico more times than you've been laid.

 

[Filthy]

No idea. Why is the sky blue?

because the refraction of light in the atmosphere and the wavelength of blue light.

i've got all the answers.

but if firearm access restrictions are the solution to all violent crime, and Australia has such restrictive gun laws...why so many rapes?

It's because Australia is a third-world country, isn't it...

 

[Splinty]

Iceland

From Iceland — Semi-Automatic Firearm Imports On The Rise In Iceland

Last year Iceland saw 13 times more semi-automatic firearms imported into the country than in 2019. In the preceding four-year...

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Heavily regulated firearms ownership. Permitting and training required. They have an interesting system in which you can get a gun license and have to have it for 5 years before you can apply for a semi-automatic license. You basically have to prove safety and competence for a long period of time before you can go to the next level.

They're also a small country without much population. Perhaps is highlights that in urban centers we should have more interest in shared decision making as a bullet shot in an apartment in New York likely has a lot more threat to others than an accidental discharge in rural Texas.

 

[Filthy]

why isn't the solution to this situation "cops should do their jobs"?