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Lord Vutulaki

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If you get another spare ten minutes, please could you also clear up The Troubles and India/Pakistan for us?
I got this. Gandi was a massive pedo pos who did more harm to india than good. India should never have been partitioned the way it was. They should have either left it unified or broken it down to its former princely states. The brits did what was asked of them so its not their fault.

Many Indians love blaming their problems on the Brits when their caste system is to blame imo
 

Leigh

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If you live on some land and you're told to leave and some other people move in, I think you'd have a reasonable case for saying the land was stolen from you.

Britain claimed the land from the Ottoman empire after WW1 and then screwed over the residents by displacing half of them to create two states.

The Palestinians don't help themselves though.
 
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If you get another spare ten minutes, please could you also clear up The Troubles and India/Pakistan for us?
And after that, do you think you could do Cyprus, Taiwan, the Senkaku Islands, and the South China Sea?

One paragraph for each should suffice.
 

Wintermute

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I got this. Gandi was a massive pedo pos who did more harm to india than good. India should never have been partitioned the way it was. They should have either left it unified or broken it down to its former princely states. The brits did what was asked of them so its not their fault.

Many Indians love blaming their problems on the Brits when their caste system is to blame imo
Disputed region following internal politics after India's independence. See "Line of Control".
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Disputed region following internal politics after India's independence. See "Line of Control".
You talking about kashmir? Should remain part of India. Fun fact there are more muslims in India than pakistan and everyday more Pakistanis migrate across.

As my afghan friends say there is no pakistan there's hindustan and Afghanistan.

Back to Israel. Its a tough one indeed. With all due respect for pitbull and lars I don't see why European jews were given a homeland in the middle east. Dont make any sense part of Germany should have been put aside for them and the world would be a better place.
 
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I got this. Gandi was a massive pedo pos who did more harm to india than good. India should never have been partitioned the way it was. They should have either left it unified or broken it down to its former princely states. The brits did what was asked of them so its not their fault.

Many Indians love blaming their problems on the Brits when their caste system is to blame imo

Can we do this for all problems of the world.

Who is doing china Taiwan next?
 
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I don't see why European jews were given a homeland in the middle east. Dont make any sense part of Germany should have been put aside for them and the world would be a better place.
I got you, but only 2 paragraphs. Sorry:

Zionist movement started long before any German link to make that an idea. Balfour declaration was done to rally support of powerful Jewish movments in various areas including Russia that had overthrown an antisemitic leadership recently. The English also wanted a link between their interests in Egypt and India, and this would give them a favorable strong hold.

So it was geopolitics and support of something that was already going on before world war I was even over. Giving a piece of Germany would have only been able to happen post wwi and would have likely further exacerbated the scapegoat of Jewish businesses that allowed Hitler to both take power as well as target the Jews for genocide.
 
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I'll try Taiwan-China. Here we go:

I keep hearing people claim over and over that Taiwan is technically a part of China. Let me just hit you with a little bit of knowledge even though it won't matter to some people.

First China and Taiwan were never one country. After the Communist Revolution ended with Mao Zedong and the Communist Party's victory in 1949, the Nationalists under Chang Kai-Shek moved to Taiwan and set up a democratic government. The US protected Taiwan's right to self-determination/democracy, even though mainland China eventually replaced Taiwan as a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
 

SAJ

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Get ready for Greek777 @Galanis type rant boys

First, let me say this. I'm not anti-Jewish, anti- Semetic or even Anti-israel. I am however, anti-Zionist. Google zionism if you want. Let me start by saying the Muslims and Jews lived In peace until the Zionist movement was established. These people are fucking crazy, remember not every Jew is a Zionist, and not every Zionist is a jew. In fact Orthodox Jews are against the occupation of Palestine and 100% against zionism.

Anyway zionists have this vision where they can have a ‘greater Israel’ a Jewish homeland for their own. In the 21st century, this way of thinking is absurd and mythological. They also (some Jews and zionists) that believe the anti Christ is coming at the end of the world to take them to heaven and kill all the disbelievers. My religion believes Jesus will come back and kill all disbelievers. Christians believe Jesus will come back and save them lol .. So USA, needs to recognise they are dealing with a holy war here. And they should never have got involved. (Too late) so to anyone who thinks zionism is more rational than any other religion, you're wrong. Its not exactly a religon but they have adopted some jewish biblical prophecies and they believe in an anti Christ.

Now the real argument

Palestine….the area known as palestine has been occupied by many different people even before those who Identified themselves as Jews or Arabs. To try and identity the founders of the people In the area is useless.

Who did USA belong to? Who did Germany belong to? Who did the UK belong to? We could go on and on in circles forever. So to claim that the land is theirs because they are ‘descendants’ of the people who lived their thousands of years ago is ridiculous. Is there any archeological evidence for this claim? Not biblical scriptures. Even if there was, it still doesn't change much.

My second point, some would claim that the Israelis have a claim to the land due to semitism. This argument is flawed. The majority of Israelis are immigrants who have been living in Europe for thousands of years. Over time, interracial marriages would have weakened the Semitic genes to the point where these Jews are more European than Semitic. Whereas Palestinians are completely Semitic.

Another interesting point, that does holds some substance if you look it up, is that the original people of the land of Israel, were probably black lol. Ethiopians, Somalians, Libyans. According to DR Eran Elhaik ( a jew) DNA evidence shows that those living today who profess to be “Jews” are not of the ancient Israelites, and they are not descendants of Abraham, in fact DNA research shows Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Jews.

Without typing up the whole article, this Jewish Doctor is basically saying that these “Jews” are not Jews but Khazars. That descend from Russia, turkey. These people were initially pagans who converted to the Judaism in the 8th century . He claims there is no blood or family connections among Jews, but in fact DNA science shows them to be Khazars. Not Jews. This alone rules out their claim for the land. No DNA evidence to tie them back to the holy land.

"Jews" Are Not Descendants of Abraham


I could go on and on and on. I wanted to mention the American/Jewish connection and central banks. Maybe that's for another thread. I'm not done yet though….



Muslims conquered jersusalem in 638 and ruled it until 1099 when the crusaders conquered it. The Muslims took it back in 1187 CE and allows the Jews to return. Muslims ruled it until the end of world war 1, altogether for 1192 years.

Adherents of Judaism did not find jerusalem. It existed for maybe 2700 years before enhancing we might recognise as Judaism arose. Jewish rule may have been longer than 170 years

Therefore if historical building of Jerusalem and historical connection with Jerusalem establishes the sovereignty over it, as the Israeli prime minister claims, here are groups who have a GREATER claim


1. The Muslims who ruled and built it over 1191 years
2. The Egyptians who ruled it for several hundred years in the second millennium BCE
3. The Italians who ruled it for about 444 years until the fall of the Roman Empire
4. The Iranians who ruled it for 205 years under the achamendis
5. The Greeks, who ruled it for over 160 years
6. The successor state to the Byzantines, which could be either Greece or turkey who ruled it for over 188 years.
7. There is also an Iraqi claim to Jerusalem, based on the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests, as well as perhaps the rule of Ayyubids who were Kurds from Iraq.
8. The Jews who are historically connected to jersusalem by the temple, whenever the connection is dated to. But that link mostly was pursued when Jews were not in political control of the city, under Iranian, Greek and roman rule. Therefore there is no way they can demand for political control of the whole city.

Do the Jews have a greater claim than any of the groups who also lived on this land at one point?

If everyone could go back to the country that they claim their ancestors lived thousands of years ago, and kicked the current habitants out,what would the world look like?
 
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How can anyone justify this? Israelis are constantly getting attacked, yet they're simultaneously taking over land too? Palestine has almost disappeared. I guess they will have their greater Israel after all.
 

SAJ

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You talking about kashmir? Should remain part of India. Fun fact there are more muslims in India than pakistan and everyday more Pakistanis migrate across.

As my afghan friends say there is no pakistan there's hindustan and Afghanistan.

Back to Israel. Its a tough one indeed. With all due respect for pitbull and lars I don't see why European jews were given a homeland in the middle east. Dont make any sense part of Germany should have been put aside for them and the world would be a better place.
This. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh at one point was all under 1 state. India.
 
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SAJ @Vicious Hellbows makes a lot of good points. The Jews have no valid claim to the land of Palestine.

The thing is, we can't just kick them out now. There are too many of them there, and they've shown that they're not just going to leave. They defeated Egypt and an alliance of Arab countries just to prove that point.

But they need to stop taking more and more Palestinian land, the land that was agreed according to the UN.

Get the fuck out of East Jerusalem, get the fuck out of Hebron, and get the fuck out of anywhere else the UN said you couldn't build settlements.
 
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SAJ @Vicious Hellbows makes a lot of good points. The Jews have no valid claim to the land of Palestine.

The thing is, we can't just kick them out now. There are too many of them there, and they've shown that they're not just going to leave. They defeated Egypt and an alliance of Arab countries just to prove that point.

But they need to stop taking more and more Palestinian land, the land that was agreed according to the UN.

Get the fuck out of East Jerusalem, get the fuck out of Hebron, and get the fuck out of anywhere else the UN said you couldn't build settlements.

Should have just gone with the 2000 Camp David talks. I still don't understand why Arafat turned it down and the current climate on both sides won't agree to it. There are huge numbers of new immigrants to both Palestinian and Israeli territory since 2000 belly those portions of the populace not as sensitive to the peace talks.
 

Leigh

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SAJ @Vicious Hellbows makes a lot of good points. The Jews have no valid claim to the land of Palestine.

The thing is, we can't just kick them out now. There are too many of them there, and they've shown that they're not just going to leave. They defeated Egypt and an alliance of Arab countries just to prove that point.

But they need to stop taking more and more Palestinian land, the land that was agreed according to the UN.

Get the fuck out of East Jerusalem, get the fuck out of Hebron, and get the fuck out of anywhere else the UN said you couldn't build settlements.
1947 borders would be fair but both sides want more than they should have - Israel wants all of the land and the Palestinians want to kill all Jews.