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SAJ

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So Muslims believe all the infidels are going to be/should be killed?
I should have said those who accept the false Messiah as a god.I don't see what your problem is, this will only happen under the circumstances that Jesus will rise from the dead to defeat the Anti Christ Do you think resurrection is possible lol? Im assuming you dont so I wouldnt be conernced. I admit it sounds crazy, which is why religious people don't discuss religon with non religious people.
 

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I should have said those who accept the false Messiah as a god.I don't see what your problem is, this will only happen under the circumstances that Jesus will rise from the dead to defeat the Anti Christ Do you think resurrection is possible lol? Im assuming you dont so I wouldnt be conernced. I admit it sounds crazy, which is why religious people don't discuss religon with non religious people.
So as a Muslim you feel the infidels should and will be killed? Good to know. I wish you put as much thought into your responses about Jews as you did about your own extremists.
 
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SAJ

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So as a Muslim you feel the infidels should and will be killed? Good to know. I wish you put as much thought into your responses about Jews as you did about our own extremists.
You don't understand the context it was written in. It's not just muslim killing infidels. According to all three Abrahmic religions, at the end of time there will be a holy war. Some christians will side with the muslims others will not, those who follow the Anti Christ will kill those who dont. I don't know what this has to with palestine/Israel land
 

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You don't understand the context it was written in. It's not just muslim killing infidels. According to all three Abrahmic religions, at the end of time there will be a holy war. Some christians will side with the muslims others will not, those who follow the Anti Christ will kill those who dont. I don't know what this has to with palestine/Israel land
You brought it up originally in your post so I'm just looking for clarification. I understand the context full well that it was written in, I've read revelations and other religious texts. Just because someone isn't religious doesn't mean they don't understand religion, it means they don't believe the texts written by another man.

But again, just for clarification, Muslims believe anyone who doesn't 'side' with them should and will be killed because of them not sharing the same exact beliefs? And as a Muslim you believe that as well?
 
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But again, just for clarification, Muslims believe anyone who doesn't 'side' with them should and will be killed because of them not sharing the same exact beliefs?

They don't. They believe they WILL be killed, not should be. That's the same for all religions.

Believe what I'm buying or prepare that at the end of time (your life or apocalypse) some terrible death is coming for way while the believes ride into the sunset with Allah and JC.

The implementation of killing non beleievers varies across the Muslim world. isis the most literal actually will enslave a Christian and kill a Shiite Muslim.

A Shiite Muslim is instructed by their leaders to debate you in public peacefully as a means of witnessing to you.

It varies a lot. But most do not believe you should be killed. Rather they should try to save you from that death (physical/eternal)
 

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They don't. They believe they WILL be killed, not should be. That's the same for all religions.

Believe what I'm buying or prepare that at the end of time (your life or apocalypse) some terrible death is coming for way while the believes ride into the sunset with Allah and JC.

The implementation of killing non beleievers varies across the Muslim world. isis the most literal actually will enslave a Christian and kill a Shiite Muslim.

A Shiite Muslim is instructed by their leaders to debate you in public peacefully as a means of witnessing to you.

It varies a lot. But most do not believe you should be killed. Rather they should try to save you from that death (physical/eternal)
I'm wanting an answer from someone who understands. As infidels @Splinty we don't understand. Please allow him to answer for himself.
 

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You brought it up originally in your post so I'm just looking for clarification. I understand the context full well that it was written in, I've read revelations and other religious texts. Just because someone isn't religious doesn't mean they don't understand religion, it means they don't believe the texts written by another man.

But again, just for clarification, Muslims believe anyone who doesn't 'side' with them should and will be killed because of them not sharing the same exact beliefs? And as a Muslim you believe that as well?
No because I can't imagine a man resurrecting from the dead for this war to begin in the first place. Why don't you ask the Jews and christians why they are willing to kill those who dont believe in the anti Christ?
 

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No because I can't imagine a man resurrecting from the dead for this war to begin in the first place. Why don't you ask the Jews and christians why they are willing to kill those who dont believe in the anti Christ?
Because we are talking about Muslims now. I don't think any of the major religions are anything but a load of shit.

Oh and wait. So you don't believe he will be resurrected, why not?
 

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No because I can't imagine a man resurrecting from the dead for this war to begin in the first place. Why don't you ask the Jews and christians why they are willing to kill those who dont believe in the anti Christ?
Its funny reading your posts and looking at your avi pic lol
 

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Because we are talking about Muslims now. I don't think any of the major religions are anything but a load of shit.

Oh and wait. So you don't believe he will be resurrected, why not?
You're always talking about muslims
 

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Without typing up the whole article, this Jewish Doctor is basically saying that these “Jews” are not Jews but Khazars. That descend from Russia, turkey. These people were initially pagans who converted to the Judaism in the 8th century . He claims there is no blood or family connections among Jews, but in fact DNA science shows them to be Khazars. Not Jews. This alone rules out their claim for the land. No DNA evidence to tie them back to the holy land.

"Jews" Are Not Descendants of Abraham
your reply was clearly well thought out..
.and i'm curious if you read the study published by Dr. Elhaik or just the article that mentions the research? The article you linked was only an opinion of the research, not scientific fact. There have been a number of Dr. Elhaik's colleagues who challenged the validity of data collected due to inaccuracies in the scientific method of comparing the surrogate populations' Y-chromosome haplogroups and mitochondrial DNA . One refuting Phd, published an article called "tale of two hypotheses.". There are others. basically, i'm saying people in the scientific community who peer reviewed Ellhaik's work said the research was sloppy and politically motivated. Might be worth it to take a look, just for the sake of having as much knowledge as possible before forming an opinion.


Do the Jews have a greater claim than any of the groups who also lived on this land at one point?
not necessarily even if science can prove or disprove if a people are genetically linked to a region. i think you actually summed it up when you said
Who did USA belong to? Who did Germany belong to? Who did the UK belong to? We could go on and on in circles forever. So to claim that the land is theirs because they are ‘descendants’ of the people who lived their thousands of years ago is ridiculous.
I think laying a verbal claim to land is irrelevant and only a talking point among the groups on each side of the conflict. it's apparent from the history of the world since the beginning of civilization that land belongs to whoever has the more powerful military and can stop anybody else from taking it.



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your reply was clearly well thought out..
.and i'm curious if you read the study published by Dr. Elhaik or just the article that mentions the research? The article you linked was only an opinion of the research, not scientific fact. There have been a number of Dr. Elhaik's colleagues who challenged the validity of data collected due to inaccuracies in the scientific method of comparing the surrogate populations' Y-chromosome haplogroups and mitochondrial DNA . One refuting Phd, published an article called "tale of two hypotheses.". There are others. basically, i'm saying people in the scientific community who peer reviewed Ellhaik's work said the research was sloppy and politically motivated. Might be worth it to take a look, just for the sake of having as much knowledge as possible before forming an opinion.



not necessarily even if science can prove or disprove if a people are genetically linked to a region. i think you actually summed it up when you said


I think laying a verbal claim to land is irrelevant and only a talking point among the groups on each side of the conflict. it's apparent from the history of the world since the beginning of civilization that land belongs to whoever has the more powerful military and can stop anybody else from taking it.



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