If you seriously think Russia has a serious nuclear weapon threat to America then you are a moron.
It doesnt even have one to Europe.
Do you even Romanian array?
General Breaking: Baltimore MD - Ship collides with Bridge.
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If you seriously think Russia has a serious nuclear weapon threat to America then you are a moron.
It doesnt even have one to Europe.
Do you even Romanian array?
My thesis was on nuclear weapons programs, 30 years ago.
If you think you know someone more versed on the topic, invite them here for a conversation.
Then the boat company wouldn't have come out and said "Don't blame us" in the headlines, and would be allowed to file an insurance claim.
That and the U.S. Government wouldn't have come out and stated "THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT", and "WE WILL REBUILD", without an investigation 15 seconds after it happened.
On the contrary, anyone who believes this is an "accident" has made an error in critical thinking. The aftermath makes no sense, none.
This is an intellectual exercise in personal crisis response.
I watched almost 2 hours of these videos Mac & still don't get your take.
They said the engineering room isn't uplinked, sure, of course.
But the computer running the operations certainly are, & the VDR HAS to be powered by the UPS, not generators, & the computer systems, GPS, UPS & VDR are interlinked.
To have anyone, let alone the White House declare this as an "accident", 2 days before NTSB even boards the ship and without cyber command investigators even taking part in the investigation is utterly ludicrous.
It's "we found their in-tact passports" level.
Granted I didn't spend a career as a marine electrician, but have worked on them & know the VDR is on the UPS.
I cannot think of anything this side of an "accident" that cuts ship navigating power as well as data/video side of the DVR.
Very noble of the government to nominate the taxpayers to get the ball rolling & take credit.
They said the engineering room isn't uplinked, sure, of course.
But the computer running the operations certainly are, & the VDR HAS to be powered by the UPS, not generators, & the computer systems, GPS, UPS & VDR are interlinked.
To have anyone, let alone the White House declare this as an "accident", 2 days before NTSB even boards the ship and without cyber command investigators even taking part in the investigation is utterly ludicrous.
It's "we found their in-tact passports" level.
Granted I didn't spend a career as a marine electrician, but have worked on them & know the VDR is on the UPS.
I cannot think of anything this side of an "accident" that cuts ship navigating power as well as data/video side of the DVR.
Very noble of the government to nominate the taxpayers to get the ball rolling & take credit.
Jesus wept.
This is the whole point. Of course the cost of the rebuild will be met by the insurance company. But that will be years down the line. You think it's the right thing to do to wait until they pay out before you fix the bridge?
Is that what you are saying?
You think it was Russia that destroyed the bridge? Aliens?
What are you saying?
It waa a cyberattack
"When I think about the bridge collapse & loss of life, it reminds me of this time I had a bacon grease fire.
If the alarm system had not gone off & a mouse ran through it & caught fire, he could of burnt down my whole island and the bridge leading up to it"
-JB
The insurance company is going to pay for it, but that is going to take a very long time. In the meantime, the government will front the cost so trade can continue and people in that area can commute ASAP.
The feds stating it was an accident prior to boarding the ship simply means they don't have any intelligence that would suggest a foreign attack. It also likely means they don't have evidence of terrorist ties to any of the crew members.
The power to the ship cannot be shutdown via a cyber attack. It can only be shutdown via an onboard error. That is not to say someone onboard was not paid to do it. That is part of the investigation. The ship losing power was what caused the following chain of events.
The VDR going out briefly was explained in the video you quoted.
Of course, this obviously makes practical sense, and is true if the government narrative is true.
Of course this makes practical sense, and is logical if the government narrative is true.
The cyber side of an investigation is not present, the NTSB does not & cannot do that.
They specialize in mechanical, engineering, physiological structural & human action.
They have no personnel for a cyber department.
Meaning there is no proper investigation or true statement that can be made regarding this event until that occurs.
The VDR cannot go "out" unless the UPS has been corrupted.
As we know, audio remains, but data & video are absent a crucial period.
UPS = uninterruptable Power Supply.
It's purpose & ironclad management is for this purpose.
It is the "black box", a separately derived system.
A series-connected battery bank.
This has not been explained.
And one of the reasons, among many, for questioning the immediate narrative fed to the plebes.
I'm open to correction, and dialogue.
These guys you posted are excellent knowledgeable resources for understanding protocol & ship operations.
The FBI is investigating as well.
I'm sure.
The FBI investigates everything.
I'm sure every alphabet agency is, have & does.
But saying the FBI is investigating is like saying Jon Jones & Conor Macgregor were clean because USADA was on the ball.
Every alphabet agency needs to be burned to the ground.
You mentioned the lack of the ability to investigate a cyber attack. I pointed out that isn't true.
Yeah, there doe need to be a major overhaul of executive agencies. Really, law enforcement and the justice system from top to bottom throughout the country, but it's the best we have for now. There is still no evidence of a cyber attack. Every ship engineer is stating there is no way for that to cause a power outage.
I pointed out the lack within the NTSB as an agency to investigate a cyber sttack.
That is true.
FBI is a separate agency, and has cyber crimes divisions.
National Security is handled by Cyber Command, a division of the Department of Homeland Security.
Let me put it this way.
In a world of honesty & truth, a statement by a government to its people would sound more like this:
"A terrible event has occurred, we are in the beginning stages of an investigation involving several coordinating agencies.
Upon concluding investigations, we cannot tell our employers, you, the people, why this event occurred.
Until then, Federal Emergency Management Disaster Programs are coordinating with local government to relieve the situation, including the re-opening & operation of Port commerce commensurately to the degrees we can, expediciously.
The corporations and companies involved are working closely & quickly with associated backstops, including insurance & rebuilding efforts which include legislation & feasibility studies that also must be completed."
What it does not sound like:
"It wasn't a cyber attack, it was an accident.
WE will rebuild"
You can see why folks might think you're a conspiracy nut though?
Yes, because the CIA programmed you that way.
The NTSB is currently focusing on the circuit breakers that are onboard. They haven't come out and said why exactly, but apparently this ship happened to have a lot of air controlled containers on it, so I'm guessing they are concerned about whether or not the circuits were overloaded causing the power outage.
Thanks for the video
I have a hard time believing that the PTTB don't have an oversight wargaming all the weaknesses of ports and shipping and the infrastructure involved.
As for the accident being a potential attack I think an inside man along with a cyber attack/hack should never be out of question...just like PED use and PED testing is an ongoing battle, anything with a computer and those who want to hack said computer is always going to be an evolving and ongoing battle.
Again, I don't know most of the details so I am speaking broadly on this. Interesting topic for sure. The real details of stuff like this often come out years later in my experience, we are still in the reactionary period which sadly can be full of unbased claims on all sides.
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For the most part I absolutely agree with you. While I don't think that was what happened here, it should be investigated.
From everything I've read and heard online, ships just are not made to be controlled by networked computers like a typical land based company is. Sure there are control rooms that display the status of the systems involved, but none of that is connected to the outside internet, and very little of it is connected to other areas of the ship. It is just the parts they need to work with. There are typically some status updates that go to the ship master etc, but that is typically just a "hey, this thing went down." type of deal.
I've never been on a container ship, the only large ships of been on were Naval ships, and even their systems can be described the same. Granted that was 30+ years ago, so it could very well be different now.
Everything that I am seeing seems to suggest an accident rather than an attack.
That's because they haven't released the details yet
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