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Chrit

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What is Expected Points Added?


Expected Points Added, commonly referred to as EPA, is a measure of how well a team performs relative to expectation. For example, if a team starts a drive on the 50-yard line, its expected points to start the drive would be about 2.5. If the team ends the drive with a field goal, thus gaining 3 points, its EPA for that drive would be found by subtracting its expected points from how many points it actually gained, 3 – 2.5 or 0.5 EPA.


This same logic can be applied to individual plays. Say the Chiefs start with the ball first-and-10 from their 25-yard line, where its expected points would be about 1.06. If Patrick Mahomes throws a 15-yard completion, making it first-and-10 on the KC 40-yard line, where the expected points is now 1.88, the EPA of that play would be 1.88 – 1.06 or 0.82. In other words, that completion increased the Chiefs’ expected points on that drive by just over three-fourths of a point. If Mahomes was sacked for a 10-yard loss instead of the completion, making it second-and-20 from their own 15, the new expected points would be about -0.54 and the EPA for that play would be -0.54 – 1.06 or -1.6. This means the sack decreased the amount of points the Chiefs were expected to score on that drive by 1.6 points.


TLDR: EPA is nerd shit... created by nerds... for nerds to consume.
 

NotBanjaxo

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What is Expected Points Added?


Expected Points Added, commonly referred to as EPA, is a measure of how well a team performs relative to expectation. For example, if a team starts a drive on the 50-yard line, its expected points to start the drive would be about 2.5. If the team ends the drive with a field goal, thus gaining 3 points, its EPA for that drive would be found by subtracting its expected points from how many points it actually gained, 3 – 2.5 or 0.5 EPA.


This same logic can be applied to individual plays. Say the Chiefs start with the ball first-and-10 from their 25-yard line, where its expected points would be about 1.06. If Patrick Mahomes throws a 15-yard completion, making it first-and-10 on the KC 40-yard line, where the expected points is now 1.88, the EPA of that play would be 1.88 – 1.06 or 0.82. In other words, that completion increased the Chiefs’ expected points on that drive by just over three-fourths of a point. If Mahomes was sacked for a 10-yard loss instead of the completion, making it second-and-20 from their own 15, the new expected points would be about -0.54 and the EPA for that play would be -0.54 – 1.06 or -1.6. This means the sack decreased the amount of points the Chiefs were expected to score on that drive by 1.6 points.


TLDR: EPA is nerd shit... created by nerds... for nerds to consume.
 

Rambo John J

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Jameis Winston: Literally incapable of going through progressions.
Naw that chart is BS, some cherrypicked stats
Some of those QBs do read the field well and it shows they don't, and some that is shows read the field are horrible post snap diagnosing QBs.

Yes EPA has a lot to do with things out of the QBs control, more of a team stat
 
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Hauler

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3 games on the slate for today

1 PM
Chargers @ Patriots
LAC -6; 42.5 o/u

4:30 PM
Broncos @ Bengals
CIN -3.5; 50.5 o/u

8 PM
Cardinals @ Rams
LAR -6.5; 47.5 o/u
 

Hauler

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Looking forward to this Surtain vs Chase matchup.

The last time they played Surtain held him completely in check. I hope Burrow doesn't force it if it isn't there.

Feed Tee
Feed Chase
Feed Gesecki

If Chase is there - make it happen.
But today is about getting the W and keepimg the slim chances of post-season play alive.

Who Dey!
 

Chrit

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Looking forward to this Surtain vs Chase matchup.

The last time they played Surtain held him completely in check. I hope Burrow doesn't force it if it isn't there.

Feed Tee
Feed Chase
Feed Gesecki

If Chase is there - make it happen.
But today is about getting the W and keepimg the slim chances of post-season play alive.

Who Dey!
I hope Burrow throws for 600 yards and 11 TDs... only to lose by 3.

The offseason dysfunction would be epic... and I'm here for it.
 

Rambo John J

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I just want the game called even and fair.

Flags should have nothing to do with the name on the jersey or the playoff chances of the teams competing.
 

Rambo John J

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Fucking announcers.

Its 4th and less than a yard.

*Screen shows 4th and 2*
They aren't really speaking about the situation
DIdn't even call that a stuff on 4th down, didn't relay that the ball was short until the measurement. They stuffed it, the measure was a formality.
 

Rambo John J

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Normal that call on moss is fine but they held Sutton on an uncatchable ball earlier so that ain't cool. That ball was less catchable than the Sutton ball.
Then Chase pushes off at 7 yards on 3rd down before his drop.

Denver got the stop but has to do something with it.
 

Chrit

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What a time for the Bengals to suck on offense.

First time all season they've kept an opponent out of the end zone this long... and cant even capitalize.
 

Rambo John J

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What a time for the Bengals to suck on offense.

First time all season they've kept an opponent out of the end zone this long... and cant even capitalize.
I think you know there are more than just 11 bengals on the field during the plays you are referencing.
22 players were on the field
 
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Rambo John J

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Nix looking overwhelmed out there.
Denver is playing like shit. Nix cant take a sack there.
True
Very little separation and lots of pressure
They are struggling with the snap count big time, could have been a few early starts IMO this half if you aren't KC RT.
And that is just the Offense.

Vance Joseph lost his mojo about 3 weeks ago when Moss got injured and hasn't schemed much since.

Gonna have to figure some shit out or this will be a L for Denver, as Vegas predicted.