Why do so many Americans reject socialism?

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Sweets

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Joey Stalin was a HORRID human. truly top 3 worst people to ever live and be in power.

worse than Hitler imo.

Mcarthy? guy was a talking piece moron.

Canada is a pretty socialist country and I love it.

socialism works if you have good laws to protect the people etc.

That's what I'm saying I'd have shot him by 1919. Talking piece moron with "duck and cover" infomercials for a backing track, and a traumatised populace to talk at, he and his ilk have made a large mark on the American psyche.

same here we're full commie by US standards.
 
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Medicine in America is broken.

I pay thousands of dollars per month just to insure our four employees, and there's still a deductible and co-pay to be considered. I've personally paid tens of thousands of dollars in healthcare premiums for myself over the last five years and I haven't been to the doctor in about eight. Granted my old man is a doc, and we work with a bunch of other docs, so I'm lucky to be well cared for, but what about people that don't have those connections?

It blows my mind that there are so many middle-class conservatives that blindly trust the very policies that were put in place against their interest. Private insurance is not in the business of keeping people well. Private insurance is in the business of making as much money as they can. The ACA enacted a few checks and balances that were beneficial to patients, but I still feel a single-payer system would run much more efficiently.
thats disgusting the amount you pay for basic medical care.
 
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That's what I'm saying I'd have shot him by 1919. Talking piece moron with "duck and cover" infomercials for a backing track, and a traumatised populace to talk at, he and his ilk have made a large mark on the American psyche.

same here we're full commie by US standards.
fuck yeah! Stalin was a guy to put down with the quickness. untold amount of people died form those bad decisions.

american's lived in fear of "commies" for like 60 years. that's a lot of psycho talk.

when i go to america I find most people are 2 levels higher in the "fear" catagory. they are always afraid something is going to happen to them lol. its hilarious and very sad at the same time as I have met many americans, and most of them were great, just naive.
 
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to give you an idea, my wife and I get full coverage for anything. from pills to a new heart, covered. if my or her work didnt pay for it it would cost us $160 a month total.

now I know its a bit different as Canada has the population of California. but America also has much more money and influence than us.
 

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fuck yeah! Stalin was a guy to put down with the quickness. untold amount of people died form those bad decisions.

american's lived in fear of "commies" for like 60 years. that's a lot of psycho talk.

when i go to america I find most people are 2 levels higher in the "fear" catagory. they are always afraid something is going to happen to them lol. its hilarious and very sad at the same time as I have met many americans, and most of them were great, just naive.
It's a symptom of our media focusing solely on the negative. It's tough to focus on the positive when all you're presented with is doom and gloom.
 

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to give you an idea, my wife and I get full coverage for anything. from pills to a new heart, covered. if my or her work didnt pay for it it would cost us $160 a month total.

now I know its a bit different as Canada has the population of California. but America also has much more money and influence than us.
What are your taxes like?
 
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as a Canadian I dont mind Mike Moore. I think he posses some really good questions and has a few good documentaries / movies. I think he gets a lot of hate because he challenges peoples core beliefs. and he's a dick about it.
seems to be a big hypocrite on some aspects of what he pretends to be all about too. I agree with you though, he challenges people and if there's anything people hate, it's being challenged on how they think.
 
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Leigh

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What are your taxes like?
The UK has free health care. This includes visits to the doctor, operations, A&E etc. There is a fee for prescriptions (about £7 I think) but if you are under 18 or unemployed, you are exempt.

Taxes on earnings here are:
£0 - £10,600: no tax
£10,600 - £42,385: 20% tax
£42,385 - £160,600: 40% tax
over £160,600: 45% tax

Pensions are tax deductible, so I personally whack a shit load of cash into my pension to get me onto the lower tax rate.

There are other taxes. Sales taxes, tax on petrol etc is typically higher than the US I believe. But for free healthcare and heavily subsidised education (mine was free), it's a decent trade off.
 

Leigh

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I will poke around. I admittedly haven't looked into it. I was speaking from a logical point of view.
Fair enough. I agree that logically it would seem counterintuitive but smokers and fat people are often working until the day they die (figuratively), where as healthy people live well into retirement. Whether one is more costly that the other, the gap isn't as big as you might think.
 
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personally, I would rather pay the extra and have all the awesome services we get.
Spoken like a true commie.

To answer the question in the OP, it wouldn't be possible to keep the tax rate the same and have free healthcare and free university education.

Taxes would have to be raised, and the honest truth is that most Americans trust themselves to spend their money much more than they do the government.
 

Leigh

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Spoken like a true commie.

To answer the question in the OP, it wouldn't be possible to keep the tax rate the same and have free healthcare and free university education.

Taxes would have to be raised, and the honest truth is that most Americans trust themselves to spend their money much more than they do the government.
I understand not trusting the government with your money. That makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is that taxes have to be raised. Other countries with similar tax levels manage it. Why would taxes have to be raised?
 

jason73

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to give you an idea, my wife and I get full coverage for anything. from pills to a new heart, covered. if my or her work didnt pay for it it would cost us $160 a month total.

now I know its a bit different as Canada has the population of California. but America also has much more money and influence than us.
keep in mind that bc is the only province with a monthly MSP payment
 

jason73

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Spoken like a true commie.

To answer the question in the OP, it wouldn't be possible to keep the tax rate the same and have free healthcare and free university education.

Taxes would have to be raised, and the honest truth is that most Americans trust themselves to spend their money much more than they do the government.
or you could cut back on the war machine and spend that money on health care and education