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KWingJitsu

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If he's not a white supremacist, why on earth would he be compelled to revert those policies?
Uhhh.... because he said he WOULD?
He said he would ban muslims
He would build a wall to segregate from Mexico
He would fuck with the Immigrant VISA worker requirements

Of course, he would deny he said those things when asked... which is hwy he won Politifacts liar of the year award... but yeah... he said those things.
 

ThatOneDude

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Uhhh.... because he said he WOULD?
He said he would ban muslims
He would build a wall to segregate from Mexico
He would fuck with the Immigrant VISA worker requirements

Of course, he would deny he said those things when asked... which is hwy he won Politifacts liar of the year award... but yeah... he said those things.
Another president already banned Muslims, trump hasn't actually done anything yet. Also banning Muslims wouldn't be racist. Muslims is not a race, it's an ideology you consciously subscribe to.

If he builds a wall to make it harder to enter illegally why is that racist? He's not saying no Mexicans can come here.

What's wrong with fucking with working visa's? The unemployment rate in this country is still high, the percentages thrown around by the administration don't take into account the people's who's benefits run out and still aren't working. We need our own countrymen working right now to help further right the economy, then after that we can work about foreigners coming and working here once we get our own house in order.

I just don't see how Trump is a racist.

Side note I plan on voting independent as a form of protest to the fuckery of this whole thing.
 

KWingJitsu

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Another president already banned Muslims, trump hasn't actually done anything yet. Also banning Muslims wouldn't be racist. Muslims is not a race, it's an ideology you consciously subscribe to.
No shit, really? You may have confused me with a Trump supporter.
If he builds a wall to make it harder to enter illegally why is that racist? He's not saying no Mexicans can come here.
Yeah. He's just saying Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers..... how come he doesn't build a wall blocking Canada....

What's wrong with fucking with working visa's?
Fucking with work visas is fucking with the LEGAL IMMIGRATION that the mouth breathres CLAIM they support.... "We support legal immigration........... except when Trump doesn't support it". lol.....
 

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how come he doesn't build a wall blocking Canada....
Because Canadians are not illegally migrating here.

Fucking with work visas is fucking with the LEGAL IMMIGRATION that the mouth breathres CLAIM they support.... "We support legal immigration........... except when Trump doesn't support it". lol.....
He's weighing the benefits of the visa program vs the drawbacks for American workers. American workers should be considered first prior to immigrant workers. When businesses have the opportunity to take advantage of those programs, they'll try to save a dollar every time.
 

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No shit, really? You may have confused me with a Trump supporter. Yeah. He's just saying Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers..... how come he doesn't build a wall blocking Canada....

Fucking with work visas is fucking with the LEGAL IMMIGRATION that the mouth breathres CLAIM they support.... "We support legal immigration........... except when Trump doesn't support it". lol.....
Do we have a large illegal immigration issue with Canada? I really have no idea.
No, you're obviously not a Trump supporter, why would I confuse you with that? Have you seen the articles showing how people with that type of attitude towards trump supporters is actually wrong. I believe Splinty @Splinty talked of that earlier. Or do facts that don't at to your narrative not exist in your bubble?
Do you have any solutions to the issues I brought up or are you just going to criticize without offering a solution.

Again, I am not voting for trump.
 

ThatOneDude

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Because Canadians are not illegally migrating here.



He's weighing the benefits of the visa program vs the drawbacks for American workers. American workers should be considered first prior to immigrant workers. When businesses have the opportunity to take advantage of those programs, they'll try to save a dollar every time.
Thank you, atleast someone understand 's and isn't just speaking angrily. The same thing the "anti trumpers" accuse his supporters of doing.
 

KWingJitsu

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Because Canadians are not illegally migrating here.
He's weighing the benefits of the visa program vs the drawbacks for American workers. American workers should be considered first prior to immigrant workers. When businesses have the opportunity to take advantage of those programs, they'll try to save a dollar every time.
Oh kind of like he's doing by exporting his clothing manufacturing to China........ do as I say, not as I do?

And American workers "should be considered first"... why?
Nah... the best interest of the business should be considered first....... and if immigrants are better qualified, or better educated and better for the job than their American counterparts, then they should get the job, and not Americans simply because they were born here.

Ironically, that's the exact reason he flip flops on the work visa.....
 

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I have 2 questions for those who are Trump supporters.

1) What exactly are his key platform promises? I've watched some debates, and follow the news and really haven't the slightest.
2) How is anyone going to "Make a America Great Again?" America has the only economy in the world right now that's firing on all cylinders. You guys are honestly more revered globally right now, than you have been in my lifetime.

I'm really struggling to wrap my head around the whole situation.
 

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And American workers "should be considered first"... why?
Nah... the best interest of the business should be considered first....... and if immigrants are better qualified, or better educated and better for the job than their American counterparts, then they should get the job, and not Americans simply because they were born here.
Because foreign workers will work for much lower wages. Less competition for American workers = less wage growth for American workers.
 

Splinty

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I have 2 questions for those who are Trump supporters.

1) What exactly are his key platform promises? I've watched some debates, and follow the news and really haven't the slightest.
2) How is anyone going to "Make a America Great Again?" America has the only economy in the world right now that's firing on all cylinders. You guys are honestly more revered globally right now, than you have been in my lifetime.

I'm really struggling to wrap my head around the whole situation.
Not a Trump Support per se, but I get it a little bit.

I'll mainly address number 2.

Our economy is the best house in a bad neighborhood. We are at a very tenuous growth right now. We are almost 10 years out from the beginning of the economic down turn and two rounds of President Obama.

The numbers SEEM good on the surface:

5% unemployment. Stocks up. GDP great.

But that is ignoring that huge numbers of adults aren't working. We are at the lowest adult work rate since the 1970's. Those that aren't working are out of the market for years. Those that are working have had 8 years of flat wages that are often lower than what they were 15 years ago.

The economy is thriving by making more with less -- less workers, less pay, less time off.
The deficit is lower year after year!! But its because we ballooned it to almost a trillion dollars a few years ago for things like the "america recovery act" or whatever the "laser" focused jobs bill was supposed to be.

The middle class is still being royally fucked.

Despite where we are as a whole right now, every type we spend a TRILLION dollars and see something like this:




It's easy to understand where the anger comes from.
 

KWingJitsu

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Because foreign workers will work for much lower wages. Less competition for American workers = less wage growth for American workers.
We're talking about the H1B1 Visa... the "skilled workers" visa, not the foreign workers in China.
Foreign immigrant workers who come here will NOT work for lower wages... they work for the same wages... but they are wanted because they are (usually) more skilled than their 'Murican counterparts.
 

KWingJitsu

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I have 2 questions for those who are Trump supporters.

1) What exactly are his key platform promises? I've watched some debates, and follow the news and really haven't the slightest.
2) How is anyone going to "Make a America Great Again?" America has the only economy in the world right now that's firing on all cylinders. You guys are honestly more revered globally right now, than you have been in my lifetime.

I'm really struggling to wrap my head around the whole situation.
Splinty has answered #2, I'll take a stab at #1.

His key platform promise is to "make 'Murica great again". Because he's the greatest "make America great" guy you will ever have.
He will stop jobs loss by being "the best stop job loss" guy you've ever seen.
And he will make the military stronger by being "the best military strong maker" you've ever seen.

LOL. In case you can't tell, he has no details on his promises. They are feel good hot button promises with no plans....becasue they usually get taken apart when he even hints at a plan.
 

Splinty

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We're talking about the H1B1 Visa... the "skilled workers" visa, not the foreign workers in China.
Foreign immigrant workers who come here will NOT work for lower wages... they work for the same wages... but they are wanted because they are (usually) more skilled than their 'Murican counterparts.

Wut??

That's not really accurate at all.


How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers
The Bottom of the Pay Scale: Wages for H-1B Computer Programmers
Beware the H-1B Visa - BusinessWeek
The myth of America’s missing software engineers
H1B Visas and The Magical Outsourcing Of Disney | RedState
 

KWingJitsu

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Appreciate the link,s but I don't see where that contradicts what I said The first link said:
Of course, the big tech companies claim H-1B workers are their last resort, and that they can't find qualified Americans to fill jobs.
And
Even detractors of the H-1B visa program concede that it can fill important roles, such as encouraging brilliant foreigners to permanently relocate to the United States. EPI immigration expert Daniel Costa suggests a couple of tweaks to the I-Squared Act: Require employers to prove that they've tried to recruit Americans before applying for foreign workers, and make sure that H-1B workers get paid as much as Americans do for comparable jobs. "If that was fixed," he says, "I think it would be a different story."
Doesn't even need to be tweaked... because like I said, AND according to your second link:
According to the law (8 U.S.C. § 1182(n)), employers must pay H-1B workers either the same rate as other employees with similar skills and qualifications or the "prevailing wage" for that occupation and location, whichever is higher. This is to prevent the hiring of foreign workers from depressing U.S. wages and to protect foreign workers from exploitation.
 

Splinty

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Appreciate the link,s but I don't see where that contradicts what I said The first link said:
And Doesn't even need to be tweaked... because like I said, AND according to your second link:

Did you read the links?.


Here's the first link
The ease of hiring H-1B workers certainly hasn't helped. More than 80 percent of H-1B visa holders are approved to be hired at wages below those paid to American-born workers for comparable
Here's the second

In spite of the requirement that H-1B workers be paid the prevailing wage, H-1B workers earn significantly less than their American counterparts. On average, applications for H-1B workers in computer occupations were for wages $13,000 less than Americans in the same occupation and state.
They explicitly state that despite that rule the system is constantly abused to hire workers at much lower rates than American counterparts. It's exactly the opposite of what you originally stated.

You posted nothing but out-of-context statements they're laying the groundwork before showing that it is not the reality at all.
 

KWingJitsu

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Did you read the links?.


Here's the first link


Here's the second


They explicitly state that despite that rule the system is constantly abused to hire workers at much lower rates than American counterparts. It's exactly the opposite of what you originally stated.

You posted nothing but out-of-context statements they're laying the groundwork before showing that it is not the reality at all.
You make it sound as if I am pulling facts out of my ass.
When I said H1B workers aren't getting less than American workers, I was referring to the law....
The same law that is in the link... that says they're not supposed to get paid less.

What I didn't see was that some companies are breaking that law by paying them less than their American counterparts.
Okay so maybe I was wrong about there needing to be a change in the law. My bad. It does need to be enforced.
But the difference isn't as significant as you make it out to be:
applications for H-1B workers in computer occupations were for wages $13,000 less than Americans in the same occupation and state.
Wages for H-1B workers in computer programming occupations are overwhelmingly concentrated at the bottom of the U.S. pay scale.
So they're still within the American pay scale... just at the lower end. How is that "out of context"?

$13,000 less for computer programming based on the average computer programming salary, is still $53,000 a year.
Not chump change. Indians will take lower wages in general when they apply, but that is still not exactly orange picking wages
 

ThatOneDude

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Did you read the links?.


Here's the first link


Here's the second


They explicitly state that despite that rule the system is constantly abused to hire workers at much lower rates than American counterparts. It's exactly the opposite of what you originally stated.

You posted nothing but out-of-context statements they're laying the groundwork before showing that it is not the reality at all.
That's all he's been doing