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TJ Dillashaw will fight Demetrius Johnson for Flyweight Title
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DJ should not take this fight unless they pay him a shitload of money and by a shitload i mean some anderson silva money.
He doesn't owe shit to anyone, he has cleaned out his division and is going for the title defence record.
He should just stick to his plan and fight someone from his weight division.
After reaching it, he should go an fight Cody in whatever weight division he sees fit he has earned that.
That guy has taken too much shit, for just doing what he is supposed too, without turning in to a dick.
He doesn't owe shit to anyone, he has cleaned out his division and is going for the title defence record.
He should just stick to his plan and fight someone from his weight division.
After reaching it, he should go an fight Cody in whatever weight division he sees fit he has earned that.
That guy has taken too much shit, for just doing what he is supposed too, without turning in to a dick.
Let's say Woodley is supposed to fight Maia, but they're going to match him up against Luke Rockhold cuz it's more intriguing and more draw and he's the former champ. That's some bull shit, and this is the similar scenario. Would you want Woodley to be stripped too?
You guys are encouraging the UFC to go down this road. Rankings, Contenders, Belts, all became a joke.
Demetrius should only take the fight for lots of $$$$, unless UFC offers that, he don't need to take no fight from someone who never had a fight in his division and jumping in line. And you're on crack if you think DJ's denying TJ fight cuz he's scared.
Last time TJ fought a 125er, this happened
War Mighty Mouse!! Get that Money and Get that Honor too if you can~
Well most ppl DONT know anyone under 170 except Conor or Diaz. A couple might know Aldo, but more because he's the guy Conor KOed in 13 seconds, an Garbrandt because he's been getting a huge push for the last year or so.
We the huge fans know about TJ very well, but the majority? I'm not so sure.
I don't like tj dropping for a title shot because we don't know if he can make weight, and that isn't the division he wants to stay in. I don't see him beating mighty mouse, but I do like the matchup. If he wins, he will just be screaming for a champion vs champion matchup nonstop, despite not clearing out the division. It would be a mess, imo, so I'm torn.
If the UFC presents a challenge that can make the weight then absolutely.
It shouldn't matter where they fought previously provided they make the specified weight come the fight.
125lb champ should mean he is the best at 125. If a 135er can make 125 and whoop his ass then guess what
He ain't the best 125er anymore
that's not what i said at all, i am saying champions should not get to pick their opponents, period. you defend that strap against whoever they tell you to, or you don't deserve to be wearing it. it's as simple as that.Let's say Woodley is supposed to fight Maia, but they're going to match him up against Luke Rockhold cuz it's more intriguing and more draw and he's the former champ. That's some bull shit, and this is the similar scenario. Would you want Woodley to be stripped too?
You guys are encouraging the UFC to go down this road. Rankings, Contenders, Belts, all became a joke.
Demetrius should only take the fight for lots of $$$$, unless UFC offers that, he don't need to take no fight from someone who never had a fight in his division and jumping in line. And you're on crack if you think DJ's denying TJ fight cuz he's scared.
Last time TJ fought a 125er, this happened
War Mighty Mouse!! Get that Money and Get that Honor too if you can~
I think that's what all this is about. DJ has always been the Company man and fighting whoever has been put in front of him. Not getting Belts he deserved or the big paydays (the UFC could have put him on BIG cards as a co-main for a PPV cut). This time DJ has one contract in negotiations and now Dana is angling for a bigger fight against a bigger guy. The holdout from DJ is two fold IMO, first it's about respect, in asking him about the fight first before just announcing it to the media to put pressure on him. Second, it's about the $$$$, just like Nate in the second Conner fight (but not to the same cash values) DJ knows he should be making MORE MONEY with this fight. Now he has a bit of leverage since Dana went public and the fans want to see it. By holding out and saying he'll fight Borg and not TJ the UFC loses a very marketable fight, which they need right now with Conner, Ronda, GSP all not fighting at the moment. The UFC thought DJ would just sign the dotted line like he always does, now they will have to open their wallets and PAY the Man.
I am not arguing against your support of MM here, but Ray Borg cannot be likened to Demian Maia.
Untrue. That fight was at bantamweight and so was this one:Last time TJ fought a 125er, this happened
So by your reasoning I think he dominated in his last fight with a flyweight.
Actually, in thinking about this some more, MM wanting Borg is really not good for the division - because then you know the company doesn't even think it's a serious match. What if something goes wrong and Borg wins? You could end up stripping the title for him missing weight (no DC jokes here - the last time he missed weight was the first fight of his current 2-fight win streak, and it was by 4.5 lbs I think). Then you have a division in shambles.
Win or lose, you end up with a division that's been struggling to have its legitimacy recognized completely set back.
Imo if DJ believes what he says about the flyweight line, give Benavidez his third shot. I didn't like his last performance, but he's on a 6-fight win streak, he's never missed weight, and most of his wins are over top contenders who have also already had title shots.
Idk. I want DJ to break his record, and I think he's earned a chance to call his shot, but him wanting Borg kind of feels like Vitor calling out CM Punk.
Win or lose, you end up with a division that's been struggling to have its legitimacy recognized completely set back.
Imo if DJ believes what he says about the flyweight line, give Benavidez his third shot. I didn't like his last performance, but he's on a 6-fight win streak, he's never missed weight, and most of his wins are over top contenders who have also already had title shots.
Idk. I want DJ to break his record, and I think he's earned a chance to call his shot, but him wanting Borg kind of feels like Vitor calling out CM Punk.
You're missing the point. It's not about comparing Maia to Borg, I'm comparing the circumstances of MW (Rockhold) cutting in to take over WW title fight just like TJ would, a BW coming in for a FW title fight. When you see it from that angle, this whole thing sounds pretty ridiculous.
Lineker missed weight 4 times, I think he's a BW. But Not trying to argue cogent reasoning and fallacies here. It's just MMAth. My point was about defending MM being scared to face TJ or not. Sure the fight was at 135, but Dodson is a natural 125er. Speed, Cardio, Quickness is Dodson's advantage which TJ's will all be diminished when he cuts to 125. and who owns the 125 world? I see business as usual for MM.
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Don't think you can put the blame on DJ wanting to fight Borg. That's the match the UFC put in front of him and sent him a contract. With what you're saying I believe even more what I stated above. Setting up the fight with Borg isn't good for the UFC. Then Dana coming out and announcing the TJ vs DJ fight puts DJ in a bad light if he doesn't take it, especially knowing DJ had called for this fight in the first place.
Typical Bait and Switch by the UFC to get DJ to sign the fight for WAY less money than he'd asked previously to fight TJ. The UFC has done this a few times in the past. They go public with the announcement and in a way question DJ's toughness and manhood by not wanting the fight and getting his fans to turn on him.... Never mentioning it's about the $$$. Remember they did this not long ago when GSP was dealing with his contract. The UFC had Bisping call out GSP on FOX TV, bait him that fighters fight and not to worry about the cash. In that case it didn't work. GSP didn't take the bait, although he missed fighting in Toronto in December, (the card he wanted) GSP did end up getting the cash he deserved.
DJ and his team are smart by waiting, even though he has to put up with a lot of crap in the meantime.
Man I hate it when chael drops the act and talks a bunch of sense
One of many people's main complaints about the UFC today is that the champs search for money fights, ignoring the old approach of champs fighting the number one contender in their division. Mighty Mouse is resisting that very thing and he's getting shelled for it. MMA fans are as fickle as they come. Best sport, worst fans. NFL is close but I don't think it's as bad.
What is Borg ranked? Is he really a #1 contender or just what's left? Not really comparable to the situations currently at 155 and 170 imo.
That's a good point, but he's the next healthy guy who hasn't lost to Mouse recently. It's not as bad as Khabib and Tony getting jumped, but it was a current champ who jumped them. Woodley is asking to fight anybody but the next guy in line. Bisping is doing the same thing. I think it's comparable, but I'll admit it's not exactly the same thing.
Also, if TJ wins, he goes back to 135 and creates the same issue that people complain about Conor creating, only this time it doesn't make the business sense that Conor's marketability justifies. It's more complicated than just Mouse ducking somebody.
If they pay the Mouse, the Mouse will comply. If they don't pay him and pay him well, he has no reason to do this.
If they pay the Mouse, the Mouse will comply. If they don't pay him and pay him well, he has no reason to do this.
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AND, if TJ loses, we lose Cody vs TJ, which is only slated to be delayed by a couple of months or so. Is that worth it?
TJ wants Cody. I haven't gotten any indication from anybody that TJ wants to stay at 125 if he beats Mighty Mouse. He said himself that he would go back up and fight Cody in a superfight.
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And get that super fight against the BW champ...... Like DJ wants