General Terror attack at Mandalay Bay

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Hauler

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I don't even know what that looks like but did anybody see any on the guns?
There are plenty of pictures of the guns out
A suppressor is typically pretty small.



They go on the end of the barrel

 
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Why would a guy that was going to do something like this...with no military background, no real gun experience, and allegedly a plan to kill masses of people before taking his own life, care about using a flash suppressor?
Those guns typically come stock with a flash suppressor
 
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Police scanner saying another possible shooter on 4th floor

The police scanners were saying that there were Shooters all over the place. I listened to them live.
Then they would go to those locations and clear them and not find anybody. Initially like four casinos supposedly had Shooters including the Luxor.

The easy answer is that early reports and mass chaos result in a fog of War situation.

Hell, I didn't fully realize that it was an elevated shooter even after watching the earliest videos.

There's also the possibility that he called in false reports, given the amount of preparedness otherwise. We'll see.
 

Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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Isn’t this the guy on that vid in the PM insisting that what clearly sounds like one weapon firing was multiple? Not sure if I can take him serious. A lot of “gun experts” running around Twitter and YouTube right now.
Yes I hate how he's talking as if his opinion is fact when we honestly don't fucking know and insisting on it

Some of the stuff he brought up was new to me, like finding the clip of the scanner

Too many experts coming out of the woodwork for sure though
Trying to focus more on the actual facts they show than their bias
 

Shinkicker

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The sheriff said in his pressed yesterday.....

People were calling Mandalay Bay desk about gunfire from upper floor during the shooting.
Their firefighters train with them, so they don't wait for area to be cleared before engaging with police to help victims. So they do that while the rest gather at casino.
a group of law enforcement gathered at the Mandalay Bay, and without waiting on "permission" ( can't remember how he stated it) formed a team and entered.
At this point, from calls, and work security had done, they knew he was from 29-32 floor.
They went in with Mandalay security and began the search.
He commended the security team and said they ere phenomenal.
As they are searching, the security guard gets shot on 32nd floor, they back off and wait for SWAT.

Sounds like LV responders did an awesome job.

I could be off on this, I listened late last night. But this is how I remember it.
 

Gay For Longo

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The police scanners were saying that there were Shooters all over the place. I listened to them live.
Then they would go to those locations and clear them and not find anybody. Initially like four casinos supposedly had Shooters including the Luxor.

The easy answer is that early reports and mass chaos result in a fog of War situation.

Hell, I didn't fully realize that it was an elevated shooter even after watching the earliest videos.

There's also the possibility that he called in false reports, given the amount of preparedness otherwise. We'll see.
Yep, nyny had reports as well as ceasars
Some social media posts saying they actually saw gunmen at some of the hotels and don't know why it isn't being reported

Eye witness accounts have a tendency to be way off though
It was complete chaos and I do think there were false reports called in to throw the cops off

I still can't get off that strobe light on floor somewhere from 10-14 was a distraction too
 

Shinkicker

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I'd like to take a moment to say lueVelvet @lueVelvet is awesome. (Hugs)

He is being very rational and holding up like a champ. If it was my family, I'd be screaming "set up" to the top of my lungs. He seems to be patient (has to be hard) and lenient with us.

lueVelvet @lueVelvet , my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
 

Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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I adore the old Trent, but it's just bullshit. I've been to Vegas, multiple times, there are so many reflections.
I agree with this completely
Reflections everywhere
“Possibly”.......they are in risk mitigation mode so anything untoward is going to be identified and called in
Yep I agree again
There were reports on the ground, 4th floor, 10th or 12th floor, The 29th floor
That's also why I made sure to includ possible in my post when I suspect the original tweeter intentionally left that word out
 

Enock-O-Lypse Now!

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Enock, you are a fucking nightmare, you swarm to every single fucking disaster pretending something has happened other than the catastrophe at foot, like it's not as fucking terrible as it is. When you did it on Sherdog you were horrid and you are as well here, it's a shame you've made your way here because this is a nice site.
As Americans we have to question those in power in these dark days, the rise of hitler was due in part because of the Reichstag Fire, it would be foolish of us not to think those hungry for power - control would not try to perform similar events in order to gain public acceptance of a takeover.

I'm glad you remember me on sherdog, good chance you were one of he many mocking me as I tried to expose the NSA spying program around 2008..only reason that "conspiracy" turned out to be reality was because Edward Snowden risked his own life to expose the nefarious program ..and we saw how they went after him for bringing the truth out to the public.

Snowden doesn't leak that information..public keeps their heads in the sand and it's still considered a conspiracy.
 

SongExotic2

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His gf is from phillipennes

He wired her 100k

There are terrorist over there
 

lueVelvet

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I'd like to take a moment to say lueVelvet @lueVelvet is awesome. (Hugs)

He is being very rational and holding up like a champ. If it was my family, I'd be screaming "set up" to the top of my lungs. He seems to be patient (has to be hard) and lenient with us.

lueVelvet @lueVelvet , my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
Thank you. I’m trying to be careful with making assumptions. Last thing I need is to be a headline about some wild accusations or assumption that has no real legs to it.

What most difficult is managing the fall out now. How do we protect ourselves from the online response to emotional interviews and reactions? How do we pick up the pieces after something like this happens? This is heavy shit to address but we’re taking it one day at a time. I’m trying to get the family to regroup on how we approach the media. It’s not easy. I’m married in so my words don’t hold as much weight right now.

Every morning I wake up and think of those innocent people and the shooter who created such chaos for reasons that are simply not known to us. I’m not here to protect what he was to us or the family name but to introduce some inside perspective on someone who everyone is now trying to understand.
 

lueVelvet

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If it was my family, I'd be screaming "set up" to the top of my lungs.
That’s the thing, we can’t see it this way either. There are some pieces to this puzzle that are missing and we just need to wait until they find more clues for us to help piece it all together.
 

Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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I should be sleeping, but the "4th-floor shooter" shit is bugging me.

Here's roughly where the strobe was. This is a terrible place to put a shooter. An absolutely horrid angle on the target.



Now here is roughly where the shooter was. Appropriate elevated position for the best view of the entire target area.




So if I'm some "entity" that's planned out all the logistics of this attack, why put one of my assets in a bad position? A more appropriate place would be here, in the south tower of the Tropicana...






Makes the most sense. You have now set up a crossfire, have a chokepoint at the entrance/exit, and have introduced even more confusion.

I'm probably out of line with this post, but it's bugging me that people think there's another shooter in a terrible spot when this seems to have had a lot of planning.
I just want to say again it's fucking awesome having you guys here to help those of us who have no clue with this stuff and can only go off what we see and intuition

You and @Splinty are shedding a lot of light that I'm not seeing elsewhere

Both keeping level heads and not getting pissed when he keep questioning different things that don't make sense to us

Thanks guys
 

Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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The sheriff said in his pressed yesterday.....

People were calling Mandalay Bay desk about gunfire from upper floor during the shooting.
Their firefighters train with them, so they don't wait for area to be cleared before engaging with police to help victims. So they do that while the rest gather at casino.
a group of law enforcement gathered at the Mandalay Bay, and without waiting on "permission" ( can't remember how he stated it) formed a team and entered.
At this point, from calls, and work security had done, they knew he was from 29-32 floor.
They went in with Mandalay security and began the search.
He commended the security team and said they ere phenomenal.
As they are searching, the security guard gets shot on 32nd floor, they back off and wait for SWAT.

Sounds like LV responders did an awesome job.

I could be off on this, I listened late last night. But this is how I remember it.
No you're pretty much right
There were officers already on scene before the incident that were off duty and went to work the second they heard the shot
The responders did amazing
 

Shinkicker

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Well the thing sticking in my mind this morning after listening to the sheriff's presser, in it he says....

We are confident that we have the suspect in custody. (Who is he referring to?)
The woman picked up for questioning in Las Vegas? That can't be his gf. She is confirmed to be in The Philippines.
Then refers to the FBI helping to process the evidence to make sure they dot their i's and cross their t's because they know how criminal defense attorneys work.
And states that their could be further prosecution in this case.
 

SongExotic2

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Not sure if serious lol
She lived there and it wasn't uncommon for him to send her money as lueVelvet @lueVelvet already told us

And there are "terrorists" everywhere
He sent her there and wired her 100k.

There is a radical Islam problem in the Philippines. Al quida