General Terror attack at Mandalay Bay

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

@Andrewsimar Palhardass "this type of thinking has led to a lack of trust in science, and law enforcement in general."

Neither has shown to be 100% trustworthy, so....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjmjqlOPd6A

Nothing is 100% trustworthy, but when instances present themselves which show something to not 100% be trustworthy, it shouldn't cause such a frenzy where we throw it out the window. Science has proven to be very reliable, above pretty much anything I can think of in our society, because what they present is typically measurable and frequently scrutinized.

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

Incorrect
We are not teaching people to speculate wildly, we are allowing people to look at things with an open mind instead of being dictated to

Also why should we trust cops?
I like cops, 3 of my best friends are cops, 1 who is a detective
I know from them and personal experience that not everything is told to the public
I don't trust a cop anymore than I trust somebody on the street unless I have a relationship with that officer and have developed trust in them

Also not telling people they can figure everything out, telling people that when you see something odd, it's better to point it out rather than be a good sheep and let the authorities tell you everything they feel you need to know

The last part I agree with you actually
There are a lot of people who just take all these crazy ideas as fact and that's just as bad as being the person stating this stuff as fact imo

And yes, those people are a serious danger and make everybody look bad
That's why I'm keeping an eye online, pol, deep web sites, Twitter to make sure none of those fucks are trying anything against @lueVelvet or his family


You're good
It's like when you set a mouse trap and wake up the next morning and the cheese is gone and the trap hasn't gone off
Then you pick it up and it goes off in your hand lol

My opinion is that though law enforcement is not trustworthy, it would take a massive conspiracy where everybody on the investigation team is in on it to cover something like this up.

If you get all of your information from the internet, you have nothing that is admissible in court. You also 100% cannot have the entire story. That's not how investigation works. You may not intentionally be teaching people to speculate wildly, but like I said, search Stephen Paddock on Twitter. You don't have to intend for the thought process that you perpetuate to cause people to be more comfortable speculating wildly for that to be exactly what happens. It's a shitty thought, but honestly those who don't believe law enforcement will never definitively know what happened here. I'm sure there are conspiracies that have been solved on the internet, but I don't know of any, and when they are solved they're done so on the internet, which needs to be taken with a grain of salt anyway. Qualifications and training in investigation exist for a reason- it's a hard thing to do.

 

[Rambo John J]

Nothing is 100% trustworthy, but when instances present themselves which show something to not 100% be trustworthy, it shouldn't cause such a frenzy where we throw it out the window. Science has proven to be very reliable, above pretty much anything I can think of in our society, because what they present is typically measurable and frequently scrutinized.

which leads me to the gray area between black and white...where most truth lies

pseudo science/propoganda is often passed off as real science...thus the confusion...blame money as it corrupts all, including science at times.

law enforcement has shown to be faulty/corrupt at times...thus the confusion...blame whatever but that is a fact...power will undoubtedly corrupt.

Human nature doesn't want you to burn your hand on the stove if you have already done so before...to learn from the past is a completely natural reaction.

I think human nature and logic are both at work when doubting or questioning events or scientific claims, If something is 100% solid then it will stand up to doubts or questions...If not, then those doubts and questions are absolutely valid.

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

which leads me to the gray area between black and white...where most truth lies

pseudo science/propoganda is often passed off as real science...thus the confusion...blame money as it corrupts all, including science at times.

law enforcement has shown to be faulty/corrupt at times...thus the confusion...blame whatever but that is a fact...power will undoubtedly corrupt.

Human nature doesn't want you to burn your hand on the stove if you have already done so before...to learn from the past is a completely natural reaction.

I think human nature and logic are both at work when doubting or questioning events or scientific claims, If something is 100% solid then it will stand up to doubts or questions...If not, then those doubts and questions are absolutely valid.

I can't argue much of that, though law enforcement, in my opinion, can't pull off covering something like this up. If this was done by someone else, they'd have to trick the cops, too... which isn't impossible.

 

[Gay For Longo]

@lueVelvet just watched the latest interview with your FIL
Interesting theory about why she was in Philipines that I hadn't even considered

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

I think if this convo is going to continue, it should be in a new thread. Let's keep this to the facts and information that is being released. Conspiracy talk overall hijacked this thread. My bad for my hand in that.

 

[lueVelvet]

@lueVelvet just watched the latest interview with your FIL
Interesting theory about why she was in Philipines that I hadn't even considered

I haven’t seen it yet. We’re with them now so I’ll have to catch it once we leave here.

 

[Gay For Longo]

My opinion is that though law enforcement is not trustworthy, it would take a massive conspiracy where everybody on the investigation team is in on it to cover something like this up.

If you get all of your information from the internet, you have nothing that is admissible in court. You also 100% cannot have the entire story. That's not how investigation works. You may not intentionally be teaching people to speculate wildly, but like I said, search Stephen Paddock on Twitter. You don't have to intend for the thought process that you perpetuate to cause people to be more comfortable speculating wildly for that to be exactly what happens. It's a shitty thought, but honestly those who don't believe law enforcement will never definitively know what happened here. I'm sure there are conspiracies that have been solved on the internet, but I don't know of any, and when they are solved they're done so on the internet, which needs to be taken with a grain of salt anyway. Qualifications and training in investigation exist for a reason- it's a hard thing to do.

I have searched him and you will find me in a lot of those comments trying to correct things that are being delivered as facts that can't be proven yet
And I've been getting hate for a couple days now because of it

 

[Rambo John J]

I can't argue much of that, though law enforcement, in my opinion, can't pull off covering something like this up. If this was done by someone else, they'd have to trick the cops, too... which isn't impossible.

FYI, my post was in no way about this event or other events...just about human nature and the world we live in currently...I think you realize this.

I rarely suspect law enforcement of being involved in the dark side of events....I only know they are easily manipulated or told to stand down or stop investigating certain aspects of any event...Chain of command stuff

 

[IschKabibble]

I think if this convo is going to continue, it should be in a new thread. Let's keep this to the facts and information that is being released. Conspiracy talk overall hijacked this thread. My bad for my hand in that.

I wouldn't worry about it. One thread is fine.

 

[Gay For Longo]

My opinion is that though law enforcement is not trustworthy, it would take a massive conspiracy where everybody on the investigation team is in on it to cover something like this up.

If you get all of your information from the internet, you have nothing that is admissible in court. You also 100% cannot have the entire story. That's not how investigation works. You may not intentionally be teaching people to speculate wildly, but like I said, search Stephen Paddock on Twitter. You don't have to intend for the thought process that you perpetuate to cause people to be more comfortable speculating wildly for that to be exactly what happens. It's a shitty thought, but honestly those who don't believe law enforcement will never definitively know what happened here. I'm sure there are conspiracies that have been solved on the internet, but I don't know of any, and when they are solved they're done so on the internet, which needs to be taken with a grain of salt anyway. Qualifications and training in investigation exist for a reason- it's a hard thing to do.

Also I'm not saying that I don't believe what they say at all
Sorry if it came off like that
What I'm trying to say is that you can't go soley on what authorities tell us
I know for an absolute fact that there are things that are never made public unless leaked

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

Also I'm not saying that I don't believe what they say at all
Sorry if it came off like that
What I'm trying to say is that you can't go soley on what authorities tell us
I know for an absolute fact that there are things that are never made public unless leaked

Can't dispute this at all.

 

[IschKabibble]

The conspiracy talk is natural considering the circumstances. And I think we've done it respectfully enough. FBI can help quiet some of the conspiracy talk by releasing the contents of the note.

 

[Gay For Longo]

I haven’t seen it yet. We’re with them now so I’ll have to catch it once we leave here.

Its on liveleak, If you want a link let me know
People online saying they don't trust him which I expected but actually a lot defending him saying he comes across genuine

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

I have searched him and you will find me in a lot of those comments trying to correct things that are being delivered as facts that can't be proven yet
And I've been getting hate for a couple days now because of it

I'm showing you the dangers of speculation in general. Your speculation doesn't seem to be the detrimental type, but most aren't you.
You getting hate illustrates my point- people get married to alternative theories while chastising those who are married to official stories. It's a dangerous road to travel.

 

[lueVelvet]

Yeah I have no problems with the guns and understand Poole have a bunch of them.

It was more a question of it was known he had them. I believe your FIL stated he wasn't aware he had any. This has been run with on west coast radio as some kind of evidence of covering for him.

We legitimately did not know he had them. My FIL saw him in early April and we just spoke about how his brother didn’t mention anything about more guns at that time.

There is no cover up here. Eric has publicly said he would let people spit on the body of it helped the victims. We have nothing to hide but we’re missing a piece of this puzzle too. What was going on in his brothers head to plan this out and not give one fucking clue to anyone? It’s been haunting us to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Sounds like he was starting to display some type of psychosis

Portrait emerging of Las Vegas shooter as man 'descending into madness'

At his local Starbucks, Las Vegas shooter remembered for berating his girlfriend

The Latest: Vegas gunman bought 33 weapons in last year

Started buying guns before election. Likely tried to target another festival a few weeks prior.
Probably not politically motivated.
Psychotic want for mass death = ?????? Insert whatever developing delusion he had.

I'm not a psychiatrist or any type of such expert. And I'm on the periphery like anyone. But it doesn't shock me that a guy so smart and compulsive to become a freaking expert high roller gambler for a living had serious mental health problems.

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

Its on liveleak, If you want a link let me know
People online saying they don't trust him which I expected but actually a lot defending him saying he comes across genuine

There's a lot of people claiming he's a "Crisis actor", which we know not to be true. This shows you the dangers of this type of speculation, and the impact it can have on the families of those involved.

 

[b00ts]

@the_b00ts I've been looking at the photo of the broken windows and wondering how much the sound would change depending on which window he was shooting from?
If you look, the two windows are facing different directions

A lot. The distance he was from the window would as well.

 

[Gay For Longo]

I'm showing you the dangers of speculation in general. Your speculation doesn't seem to be the detrimental type, but most aren't you.
You getting hate illustrates my point- people get married to alternative theories while chastising those who are married to official stories. It's a dangerous road to travel.

I agree
It's tough to actually keep an open mind
Lots of people say it, few actually do it

"Im open minded... my theory is right and yours is wrong, you're just too close minded"

 

[MMAHAWK]

We legitimately did not know he had them. My FIL saw him in early April and we just spoke about how his brother didn’t mention anything about more guns at that time.

There is no cover up here. Eric has publicly said he would let people spit on the body of it helped the victims. We have nothing to hide but we’re missing a piece of this puzzle too. What was going on in his brothers head to plan this out and not give one fucking clue to anyone? It’s been haunting us to be honest.

Oh make no mistake I believe you. My friends have a group text message about this going and I'm trying to get them as much of the truth as possible and stop false beliefs they are hearing.

For example
A huge radio show in socal had a host basically saying he was likely a lifelong criminal who stole his fortune and must be the killer behind a long list of unsolved crimes.

 

[Gay For Longo]

A lot. The distance he was from the window would as well.

Thanks
That's what I thought and makes a lot more sense

 

[Gay For Longo]

There's a lot of people claiming he's a "Crisis actor", which we know not to be true. This shows you the dangers of this type of speculation, and the impact it can have on the families of those involved.

Ya man
It's disgusting honestly
The guy is displaying pretty much exactly what I would expect from myself

Been telling them they're idiots

 

[Masato Toys]

see;
The Warren Commission Report - 9/11 Commission Report

Of course investigations at a high level with many police and professionals etc can be hijacked, and a replacement story inserted.

Stories like Sirhan Sirhan also come to mind... many situations imo where the perpetrator was guided, set up and 'allowed' to do something. I could list more. I would bet by now if such false flag operations are indeed a reality, their engineers are likely smarter than us, lol

Speculation with too much emotion or confidence is dangerous, but an open-mindedness to anti-status quo scenarios (ie; false flags) I think is perfectly rational for things like this. Trusting whatever story the MSM gives I think is downright naive. I also have some cop-friends who tell you that many times what the public gets/what the media tells us is total shite.

This assumption that the MSM version is the truth unless smoking evidence to the contrary can be produced I think it a bit frustrating. Question the official version = disrespect to the families? etc... its a terrible trap.

 

[b00ts]

Holy shit Twitter is flooded with misinformed people stating their opinions as fact. One Tweet I saw said at least 5 shooters were there. 5 shooters with modified or full auto weapons would have been hell on earth to the people there and anyone that would ever watch a video of it.