General Terror attack at Mandalay Bay

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BeardOfKnowledge

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Yeah but at that close of a distance? You would think Ray Charles could spray someone from 50 feet with 200 rounds, and land more than once.
Have you done much shooting? I'm not saying that to be smart, I say that as someone who takes a lot of enw shooters out and they're almost always shocked at how much more difficult it is to hit a 24x24 target than they thought it was going to be. Add in adrenaline and a moving target.
 

Wild

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Have you done much shooting? I'm not saying that to be smart, I say that as someone who takes a lot of enw shooters out and they're almost always shocked at how much more difficult it is to hit a 24x24 target than they thought it was going to be. Add in adrenaline and a moving target.
Shot handguns and smaller caliber rifles. Never anything like an AR or AK. That's interesting info and makes me slightly better about that part of the story.
 

b00ts

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Yeah but at that close of a distance? You would think Ray Charles could spray someone from 50 feet with 200 rounds, and land more than once.
hickok45 has a video of him using one and hits like 3 of 30 rounds and he’s very proficient with firearms. I was our platoons 249 gunner and I could barely get on target with one. As a shooter, you are used to holding rearward pressure on the weapon, but a bump stock requires you to hold roughly the same rearward pressure AND forward pressure with your off hand. The whole reason it works is these opposite forces causing the stock to slide and your trigger finger bumping the trigger. So imagine trying to aim with an unstable weapon flailing everywhere.

Bump stocks are pure novelty for someone who’s never fire full auto.
 

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I'm not terribly up on my conspiracies. What's the deal here?
That guy John posted on 4chan about 3 weeks before Vegas, warning people to stay away from large crowds because the Gov't was planning a mass shooting. He said it was because they wanted an excuse to increase security at hotels, airports, schools...and push gun control. He said their agenda would be adding more security machines (x-ray, etc). Then he outlined who all would profit from it.

That's the backstory. The rest of that tweet is about a former CIA guy named John being involved in a "murder/suicide" a few days after the Vegas incident. People are suggesting he's the one that was posting on 4chan, and was killed before he leaked anything further.
 

Rambo John J

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still not buying lone shooter guys...just my opinion but this don't add up.

IN part because I am having a problem believing any of the "evidence"....hard to tell what is legit or speculation/flat out disinfo

OH well...I continue to live in the grey between black and white


Have a great day and hug your loved ones and smile a good smile...laugh a good laugh
 

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hickok45 has a video of him using one and hits like 3 of 30 rounds and he’s very proficient with firearms. I was our platoons 249 gunner and I could barely get on target with one. As a shooter, you are used to holding rearward pressure on the weapon, but a bump stock requires you to hold roughly the same rearward pressure AND forward pressure with your off hand. The whole reason it works is these opposite forces causing the stock to slide and your trigger finger bumping the trigger. So imagine trying to aim with an unstable weapon flailing everywhere.

Bump stocks are pure novelty for someone who’s never fire full auto.
Damn, that's quality info right there. But that makes me have to ask...how in the hell did a 64 year old with no military training shoot those guns with bump stocks like he did and hit 500+ people. Do you think he was capable of pulling that off?
 

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That guy John posted on 4chan about 3 weeks before Vegas, warning people to stay away from large crowds because the Gov't was planning a mass shooting. He said it was because they wanted an excuse to increase security at hotels, airports, schools...and push gun control. He said their agenda would be adding more security machines (x-ray, etc). Then he outlined who all would profit from it.

That's the backstory. The rest of that tweet is about a former CIA guy named John being involved in a "murder/suicide" a few days after the Vegas incident. People are suggesting he's the one that was posting on 4chan, and was killed before he leaked anything further.
he shot his daughter the day after the search and himself...wife didn't hear gunshots and she was on same property

Sadly that tells me it was a pedo thing or it was him getting shot and a message being sent for his posts....if that was indeed him(impossible to verify IMO)
 

b00ts

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Damn, that's quality info right there. But that makes me have to ask...how in the hell did a 64 year old with no military training shoot those guns with bump stocks like he did and hit 500+ people. Do you think he was capable of pulling that off?
If you train enough with them, you can operate them efficiently enough to spray into a crowd of 30k people and hit some. 59 out of 30k is actually pretty terrible. Semi-auto would have yielded far more deaths, imo
 

b00ts

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still not buying lone shooter guys...just my opinion but this don't add up.

IN part because I am having a problem believing any of the "evidence"....hard to tell what is legit or speculation/flat out disinfo

OH well...I continue to live in the grey between black and white


Have a great day and hug your loved ones and smile a good smile...laugh a good laugh
Zero chance of another shooter. Help in some way? Highly possible.
 

mysticmac

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And what about when he allegedly took a hammer and broke the windows out. How did alarms not go off? How did no one down on the street hear the glass breaking or see it fall?
I don't recall hearing about the use of a hammer, but the broken glass was witnessed by hotel security and reported to the cops. That was why the cops prioritized that location over the other ones that people were reporting.
 

Gay For Longo

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I don't recall hearing about the use of a hammer, but the broken glass was witnessed by hotel security and reported to the cops. That was why the cops prioritized that location over the other ones that people were reporting.
Hammer was used to break window
 

Wild

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Shot himself in the back of the head with a shot gun ....interesting
Check this out: Key Witness in Las Vegas Shooting Kills Self and Daughter Following FBI Raid - Two Feed

A key witness in the Las Vegas shooting massacre has killed himself and his disabled daughter in a horrific murder-suicide shortly after the FBI raided his home.John Beilman was wanted for questioning by federal agents in connection with a communications device discovered in suspected shooter Stephen Paddock’s hotel room.Investigators searched Beilman’s Fairport home the day before he shot his severely disabled daughter and himself, according to sources close to the investigation. Agents executed a search warrant and raided Beilman’s Williamsburg Drive home the day before he took his daughter, Nicole, into the backyard and shot her and then himself in the back of the head with a 12-gauge shotgun.John Beilman’s 27-year-old daughter, Nicole, had Rett Syndrome, a rare neurological disorder. Nicole Beilman relied upon a wheelchair and was dependent on her parents for care.

According to this report, upon the FBI searching the Mandalay Bay Hotel room used by CIA gun runner Stephen Paddock, a cell phone charger was discovered that had no accompanying phone—with SVR technology experts noting that this type of charger is used to charge a CP502520 3.0V 600mAh Li-MnO2 Non-rechargeable Thin Cell Battery used in various communication devices by both US Special Forces and CIA forces. The company making this unique lithium battery, this report details, is Ultralife Corporation, based in Newark, New York, that specializes in military communications systems for the Pentagon—and whose lead engineer for this particular communication systems development was John Beilman. Listing himself as a “product design and manufacturing professional”, this report continues, John Beilman was employed by Ultralife Corporation between 2007-2012 where he worked on various top-secret communications systems for the US military—thereafter his leaving to become a top engineer at the General Motors research facility located in Rochester New York. Fearing that Ultralife Corporation had been secretly funneling their US military communications systems to the CIA, this report notes, this past Tuesday (3 October), the FBI raided the home of John Beilman under a secret US Federal Court warrant—and that caused Beilman, less than 12 hours later, during the early morning hours of Wednesday (4 October), to wheel out his severely disabled daughter Nicole into his home’s backyard where she was executed, with Beilman then killing himself too—and that was followed 48 hours later (6 October) by the Pentagon awarding Ultralife Corporation new contracts valued at over $49 million.


The CIA, this report further notes, has long been known to eliminate witnesses to their “murder sacrifice” “false flag” operations—and that includes the hundreds of witnesses mysteriously killed following the 9/11 “Tower Sacrifice”, and the, likewise, hundreds of witnesses mysteriously dying following the “King Sacrifice” murder of President John F. Kennedy—and that London’s Sunday Times reported the “the odds against these witnesses being dead by February 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one. The FBI claim they didn’t protect, or at the very least put under 24-hour surveillance, John Beilman following their raid on his home, due to American domestic intelligence experiencing a manpower shortage in their Las Vegas massacre investigation.

According to D&C, John Beilman committed the murder-suicide shortly after 5:20 a.m., Fairport police say.Fairport police said Beilman’s wife, Donna Beilman, was inside the home and did not hear the shots that took the life of her husband and daughter. Fairport Police Chief Samuel Farina said John Beilman left behind a “goodbye note” to his wife that indicated the circumstances of the shooting but not a motive.A neighbor of Beilman reported that he saw two police cars near the home the day before the killings. Farina said this week that police had not responded to any calls at the home.The FBI and federal prosecutors declined to comment.

A federal magistrate judge would have approved a search of the home. However, approval of a search does not ensure a crime was committed; instead, it is a search for evidence of a crime.Records of federal searches are often filed under seal, and there was no public record available Friday of the search of the Fairport home.
 

MMAHAWK

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Damn, that's quality info right there. But that makes me have to ask...how in the hell did a 64 year old with no military training shoot those guns with bump stocks like he did and hit 500+ people. Do you think he was capable of pulling that off?
You know when you go to a fair and there is a dart throw at the wall of balloons. I'm no dart champ but I win every time if the wall is full of balloons. Pop 50% of them and the struggle becomes real. This may also explain him not shooting after the first 9 minutes or so. At that point people were scrambling and hitting someone would have been much harder. Maybe his mind did go to how can I escape the room instead.
 

Gay For Longo

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I don't recall hearing about the use of a hammer, but the broken glass was witnessed by hotel security and reported to the cops. That was why the cops prioritized that location over the other ones that people were reporting.
Cops prioritized that location because the security was shot 6 minutes before he shot at the crowd
Info was just released above
 

b00ts

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I have no idea how you could say that....zero chance?

are you basing that on the sound of the audible gunshots that you heard on short videos?
Yes because those were the sounds of one weapon shooting. Why use two shooters that aren’t either going to shoot in unison or use a talking method for continuous fire? You can clearly hear one weapon go through a magazine and a pause where he is either reloading or grabbing another weapon. Two shooters would not be used like that. It’s ineffective and you double your chances of being caught earlier for absolutely no reason.