General Terror attack at Mandalay Bay

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Rambo John J

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Zero chance of another shooter. Help in some way? Highly possible.
Unless you are investigating ballistics and where each person was shot including the location of the spot they were shot then you have no idea.

Sorry, I understand you have a good understanding of firearms and can identify them well. That does not make you qualified to 100% understand an event thru reports and audio.

Lots of info is being withheld and likely will not be released...and some of what we do get is utt
Yes because those were the sounds of one weapon shooting. Why use two shooters that aren’t either going to shoot in unison or use a talking method for continuous fire? You can clearly hear one weapon go through a magazine and a pause where he is either reloading or grabbing another weapon. Two shooters would not be used like that. It’s ineffective and you double your chances of being caught earlier for absolutely no reason.
OK, I hear you

Are you allowing possibility for silenced fire?


No offense, I just cannot understand how people can be so certain of things like this regardless of past experiences.
 

Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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Check this out: Key Witness in Las Vegas Shooting Kills Self and Daughter Following FBI Raid - Two Feed

A key witness in the Las Vegas shooting massacre has killed himself and his disabled daughter in a horrific murder-suicide shortly after the FBI raided his home.John Beilman was wanted for questioning by federal agents in connection with a communications device discovered in suspected shooter Stephen Paddock’s hotel room.Investigators searched Beilman’s Fairport home the day before he shot his severely disabled daughter and himself, according to sources close to the investigation. Agents executed a search warrant and raided Beilman’s Williamsburg Drive home the day before he took his daughter, Nicole, into the backyard and shot her and then himself in the back of the head with a 12-gauge shotgun.John Beilman’s 27-year-old daughter, Nicole, had Rett Syndrome, a rare neurological disorder. Nicole Beilman relied upon a wheelchair and was dependent on her parents for care.

According to this report, upon the FBI searching the Mandalay Bay Hotel room used by CIA gun runner Stephen Paddock, a cell phone charger was discovered that had no accompanying phone—with SVR technology experts noting that this type of charger is used to charge a CP502520 3.0V 600mAh Li-MnO2 Non-rechargeable Thin Cell Battery used in various communication devices by both US Special Forces and CIA forces. The company making this unique lithium battery, this report details, is Ultralife Corporation, based in Newark, New York, that specializes in military communications systems for the Pentagon—and whose lead engineer for this particular communication systems development was John Beilman. Listing himself as a “product design and manufacturing professional”, this report continues, John Beilman was employed by Ultralife Corporation between 2007-2012 where he worked on various top-secret communications systems for the US military—thereafter his leaving to become a top engineer at the General Motors research facility located in Rochester New York. Fearing that Ultralife Corporation had been secretly funneling their US military communications systems to the CIA, this report notes, this past Tuesday (3 October), the FBI raided the home of John Beilman under a secret US Federal Court warrant—and that caused Beilman, less than 12 hours later, during the early morning hours of Wednesday (4 October), to wheel out his severely disabled daughter Nicole into his home’s backyard where she was executed, with Beilman then killing himself too—and that was followed 48 hours later (6 October) by the Pentagon awarding Ultralife Corporation new contracts valued at over $49 million.


The CIA, this report further notes, has long been known to eliminate witnesses to their “murder sacrifice” “false flag” operations—and that includes the hundreds of witnesses mysteriously killed following the 9/11 “Tower Sacrifice”, and the, likewise, hundreds of witnesses mysteriously dying following the “King Sacrifice” murder of President John F. Kennedy—and that London’s Sunday Times reported the “the odds against these witnesses being dead by February 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one. The FBI claim they didn’t protect, or at the very least put under 24-hour surveillance, John Beilman following their raid on his home, due to American domestic intelligence experiencing a manpower shortage in their Las Vegas massacre investigation.

According to D&C, John Beilman committed the murder-suicide shortly after 5:20 a.m., Fairport police say.Fairport police said Beilman’s wife, Donna Beilman, was inside the home and did not hear the shots that took the life of her husband and daughter. Fairport Police Chief Samuel Farina said John Beilman left behind a “goodbye note” to his wife that indicated the circumstances of the shooting but not a motive.A neighbor of Beilman reported that he saw two police cars near the home the day before the killings. Farina said this week that police had not responded to any calls at the home.The FBI and federal prosecutors declined to comment.

A federal magistrate judge would have approved a search of the home. However, approval of a search does not ensure a crime was committed; instead, it is a search for evidence of a crime.Records of federal searches are often filed under seal, and there was no public record available Friday of the search of the Fairport home.
Wtf
1st off that's horrible
2nd, that's interesting
 

mysticmac

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Damn, that's quality info right there. But that makes me have to ask...how in the hell did a 64 year old with no military training shoot those guns with bump stocks like he did and hit 500+ people. Do you think he was capable of pulling that off?
He didn't hit 500 people. That's the number of people that got injured as a result of the shooting. It includes people getting trampled, etc.

He was stock piling weapons for a year and had twelve rifles with a bump fire stock. I think it is safe to assume he was putting in his range time.
 

b00ts

pews&vrooms
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Oct 21, 2015
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Unless you are investigating ballistics and where each person was shot including the location of the spot they were shot then you have no idea.

Sorry, I understand you have a good understanding of firearms and can identify them well. That does not make you qualified to 100% understand an event thru reports and audio.

Lots of info is being withheld and likely will not be released...and some of what we do get is utt

OK, I hear you

Are you allowing possibility for silenced fire?


No offense, I just cannot understand how people can be so certain of things like this regardless of past experiences.
You can still hear suppressed fire, for the most part. At that distance, low velocity rounds would be completely pointless, so you would still have a round “snap” from the sonic boom of a normal round.
 

Enock-O-Lypse Now!

Underneath Denver International Airport
Jun 19, 2016
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Check this out: Key Witness in Las Vegas Shooting Kills Self and Daughter Following FBI Raid - Two Feed

A key witness in the Las Vegas shooting massacre has killed himself and his disabled daughter in a horrific murder-suicide shortly after the FBI raided his home.John Beilman was wanted for questioning by federal agents in connection with a communications device discovered in suspected shooter Stephen Paddock’s hotel room.Investigators searched Beilman’s Fairport home the day before he shot his severely disabled daughter and himself, according to sources close to the investigation. Agents executed a search warrant and raided Beilman’s Williamsburg Drive home the day before he took his daughter, Nicole, into the backyard and shot her and then himself in the back of the head with a 12-gauge shotgun.John Beilman’s 27-year-old daughter, Nicole, had Rett Syndrome, a rare neurological disorder. Nicole Beilman relied upon a wheelchair and was dependent on her parents for care.

According to this report, upon the FBI searching the Mandalay Bay Hotel room used by CIA gun runner Stephen Paddock, a cell phone charger was discovered that had no accompanying phone—with SVR technology experts noting that this type of charger is used to charge a CP502520 3.0V 600mAh Li-MnO2 Non-rechargeable Thin Cell Battery used in various communication devices by both US Special Forces and CIA forces. The company making this unique lithium battery, this report details, is Ultralife Corporation, based in Newark, New York, that specializes in military communications systems for the Pentagon—and whose lead engineer for this particular communication systems development was John Beilman. Listing himself as a “product design and manufacturing professional”, this report continues, John Beilman was employed by Ultralife Corporation between 2007-2012 where he worked on various top-secret communications systems for the US military—thereafter his leaving to become a top engineer at the General Motors research facility located in Rochester New York. Fearing that Ultralife Corporation had been secretly funneling their US military communications systems to the CIA, this report notes, this past Tuesday (3 October), the FBI raided the home of John Beilman under a secret US Federal Court warrant—and that caused Beilman, less than 12 hours later, during the early morning hours of Wednesday (4 October), to wheel out his severely disabled daughter Nicole into his home’s backyard where she was executed, with Beilman then killing himself too—and that was followed 48 hours later (6 October) by the Pentagon awarding Ultralife Corporation new contracts valued at over $49 million.


The CIA, this report further notes, has long been known to eliminate witnesses to their “murder sacrifice” “false flag” operations—and that includes the hundreds of witnesses mysteriously killed following the 9/11 “Tower Sacrifice”, and the, likewise, hundreds of witnesses mysteriously dying following the “King Sacrifice” murder of President John F. Kennedy—and that London’s Sunday Times reported the “the odds against these witnesses being dead by February 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one. The FBI claim they didn’t protect, or at the very least put under 24-hour surveillance, John Beilman following their raid on his home, due to American domestic intelligence experiencing a manpower shortage in their Las Vegas massacre investigation.

According to D&C, John Beilman committed the murder-suicide shortly after 5:20 a.m., Fairport police say.Fairport police said Beilman’s wife, Donna Beilman, was inside the home and did not hear the shots that took the life of her husband and daughter. Fairport Police Chief Samuel Farina said John Beilman left behind a “goodbye note” to his wife that indicated the circumstances of the shooting but not a motive.A neighbor of Beilman reported that he saw two police cars near the home the day before the killings. Farina said this week that police had not responded to any calls at the home.The FBI and federal prosecutors declined to comment.

A federal magistrate judge would have approved a search of the home. However, approval of a search does not ensure a crime was committed; instead, it is a search for evidence of a crime.Records of federal searches are often filed under seal, and there was no public record available Friday of the search of the Fairport home.
Good Lord, I think we know what happened here.
 

lueVelvet

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Aug 29, 2015
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You think she went with him in the elevator?
I’m going on a limb and thinking you’re being funny but what I really meant was with security escort. I’m sure he had “escorts” of another nature too at some point just not sure I believe the “rape fantasies” one girl was talking about. But hey, that is one aspect of the guy we didn’t know, so who are we to say yay or nay to his fetishes though he didn’t strike me as the one to be into ‘that’.
 

lueVelvet

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From what I can gather from friends that live in Vegas, he’s a stand-up guy and good sheriff.
It’s not like they’re a team of geniuses. Not to knock em but they’re regular people doing a job. Fuck ups happen. It just so happens that we’re super sensitive to these fuck ups because of the situation.

I also think they have a tough job trying to figure this one out. The public wants answers and they want to provide them. I just don’t know how many they’ll find so they’ll probably keep with the “undiagnosed mental illness” route.
 

Rambo John J

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Jan 17, 2015
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I hear ya.
You can still hear suppressed fire, for the most part. At that distance, low velocity rounds would be completely pointless, so you would still have a round “snap” from the sonic boom of a normal round.
Lots of reports of low angle gunfire....one from an avid hunter that was shot and he insists that multiple shooters and says he was hit from low angle.

I just choose to remain unconvinced at this time of anything.

Enjoy and take care bro
 

mysticmac

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I hear ya.


Lots of reports of low angle gunfire....one from an avid hunter that was shot and he insists that multiple shooters and says he was hit from low angle.

I just choose to remain unconvinced at this time of anything.

Enjoy and take care bro
Ricochet.
 

Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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I’m going on a limb and thinking you’re being funny but what I really meant was with security escort. I’m sure he had “escorts” of another nature too at some point just not sure I believe the “rape fantasies” one girl was talking about. But hey, that is one aspect of the guy we didn’t know, so who are we to say yay or nay to his fetishes though he didn’t strike me as the one to be into ‘that’.
Ofcourse I was kidding
I have no problems with a guy doing what ever the fuck he wants with a chick as long as she's cool with it
And I agree, the dumb bitch with the rape fantasies was doing it for mostly likely money

Sorry if it was over the line
 

b00ts

pews&vrooms
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Oct 21, 2015
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I hear ya.


Lots of reports of low angle gunfire....one from an avid hunter that was shot and he insists that multiple shooters and says he was hit from low angle.

I just choose to remain unconvinced at this time of anything.

Enjoy and take care bro
I just don’t see the low angle shooter from a strategic POV. This is an ambush. From what I was trained in gorilla warfare(little in the Army when going to Iraq because I was in aviation and my 249 was needed for patrols and a good bit in the employment I had after getting out) you wouldn’t put a gun in a disadvantaged position. Low means easier to locate, bad angle on target, and you have the venue objects blocking key points of interest.

I mean, this is all me speculating, but I have had gorilla and counter sniper training.

I may be a greasy mechanic now, but there was a time when I wanted to be an operator :p
 

Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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Skip to 11 minutes and listen to how much either this officer fucks up, or slips up... you decide
 

lueVelvet

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Aug 29, 2015
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Ofcourse I was kidding
I have no problems with a guy doing what ever the fuck he wants with a chick as long as she's cool with it
And I agree, the dumb bitch with the rape fantasies was doing it for mostly likely money

Sorry if it was over the line
You’re good man.
 

Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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Cops were not contacted about security being shot
Did not know about it until they met him in the hall
Seriously a lot of info in this briefing