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Hauler

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I'm going to break it down here for everyone once and for all.

Bacon is strips, same as in the states. Where our bacon differs from yours is peameal bacon. Which is fucking magical. The "Canadian Bacon" you guys get is basically a lazy facsimile. It is different from ham though. You really need to step your pork game up.
It's ham, bro.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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We have pea meal bacon here too. It's basically backbacon wrapped in crushed peas. I've honestly never understood the reason people like it so much, side bacon is superior in every way.
Peameal bacon is more moist and tender. Side bacon is just salted fat.
 

Onetrickpony

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You don't even know the difference between bacon and ham.


I'm from Canada dude, I know what Canadian bacon is. it's made from pork loin which is ham not bacon.

Canadian Bacon: Pork Loin. Canadian bacon is more like ham than the streaky cured and smoked strips of bacon that most of us are used to. American bacon comes from the fatty belly of the pig while Canadian bacon is typically cut from the loin. ... If Canadian baconis cured at all, it's usually done in a basic brine.

 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I'm from Canada dude, I know what Canadian bacon is. it's made from pork loin which is ham not bacon.

Canadian Bacon: Pork Loin. Canadian bacon is more like ham than the streaky cured and smoked strips of bacon that most of us are used to. American bacon comes from the fatty belly of the pig while Canadian bacon is typically cut from the loin. ... If Canadian baconis cured at all, it's usually done in a basic brine.



Pork loin is not ham. Nor will it ever be ham.
 

Onetrickpony

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Here's a more detailed one if it helps:

Posting more pig diagrams doesn't prove anymore than posting the first one did. Ham is made by curing the hocks and the loin can be cured in the same way to make a small ham. Back bacon is closer in taste, texture and appearance to ham than side bacon will ever be.

If you'd done the research I told you to instead of posting more pig picks you would've learned this.

 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Posting more pig diagrams doesn't prove anymore than posting the first one did. Ham is made by curing the hocks and the loin can be cured in the same way to make a small ham. Back bacon is closer in taste, texture and appearance to ham than side bacon will ever be.

If you'd done the research I told you to instead of posting more pig picks you would've learned this.

Ham and hocks are specific (and different) cuts. If you want to say peameal or back bacon are more like ham, fill your boots. But pork loin and ham aren't the same. Never have been, never will be.
 

Onetrickpony

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Ham and hocks are specific (and different) cuts. If you want to say peameal or back bacon are more like ham, fill your boots. But pork loin and ham aren't the same. Never have been, never will be.
MAKING HAM AT HOME
Jack Schmidling Productions, Inc.

Ham is one of the easiest of preserved meats to make.
There are as many ways to make ham as there are people who make it but I will present what seems to me the easiest and most foolproof method to produce ham at home.


SYNOPSIS
Ham is made by soaking a piece of pork in a salt brine for a period of time depending on it's weight and then cooking and/or smoking it. Depending on the process, it can be ready to eat or cured for months and cooked as eaten or various combinations in between. The process I will describe is commonly known as "boiled ham" in spite of the fact that it is never boiled. I will also show a variation on the theme to produce a great smoked ham for folks with the equipment for smoking.

MEAT
Ham is made from pork and just about any piece of pork will produce what tastes more or less like ham.

Traditionally, ham is made from the upper portion of the hindlegs which weigh from 15 to 25 lbs. This is not easy to deal with in the kitchen and I have never made a whole ham for this reason.

I have found the most practical piece of meat for home made ham to be portions of the loin. This is the stuff of rolled roasts and if you can't find loin, just buy a rolled roast, untie it and use the two pieces to make two hams. I can get my butcher to cut it to any size I want and usually get a six lb piece and cut it in half to make two 3 lb hams.

The experts insist that the meat for ham must not have been frozen and I have no reason to try to prove them wrong. Freezing modifies the cell structure in such a way that it will not absorb the brine properly.

THE BRINE
The meat must be made to take up salt, spices and a cure to provide the characteristics we call ham. Many folks use a dry rubbing method but I find the liquid brine far simpler to deal with and that is what I will describe here.
In addition to the salt, sugar and spices, the brine contains what is known as a cure. Many old timers do not use this but I do not consider it an option, if for no other reason than the fact that gray ham is not very appetizing. The cure is what gives ham it's pleasing pink color in addition to protection from botulism and other pathogenic organisms.

If you are new to cures, please read that section of my SAUSAGE PAGE

The brine is mixed in a plastic or stainless bucket large enough to hold the brine and meat. The following one gallon batch will do about 10 lbs of meat.

Brine Recipe
Water...................................1 gallon
Pickling Salt.......................1 cup
Sugar....................................1/4 cup
Prague #1 (Cure)...............1/3 cup
Pickling Spice.....................1 tsp
Cloves...................................1/2 tsp

The brine should be cooled to around 40F before the meat is placed in it. It should also be kept near that temperature during the brining period so that is another reason to make small hams.... you can find space in the fridge. Do not let it get below about 38F though because the cure ceases to function around there. Monitor the brine temp with a thermometer and just remove it for a while if it gets too cold.

The brining time is mainly a question of personal taste. The longer it stays in the brine, the saltier it gets. I find 4 days about right for a 3-5 lb piece of loin. You can speed things up by pumping brine into the meat with a syrenge but that is probably overkill for small pieces.

COOKING
For a garden variety "boiled ham", the meat is removed from the brine, rinsed off and placed in water at 170F. It is held there until the internal temperature reaches 155F on a meat thermometer. This will take about an hour for a 3 lb piece.

After cooking, the ham is chilled in cold water for about 30 minutes and then put in the fridge overnight. Next day you will think you just returned from the deli.

SMOKING
If you have a smoker, there are may options here. If you just want a little smokey flavor, you can smoke it either before or after cooking, for about 5 hours. Smoking before cooking will produce a moister, less salty ham.

If you want a ham more like "country cured", smoke it for 24 hrs @ 130F. Then slice a piece and fry it and you will think you died and went to heaven. Make sure it is fully cooked when you fry it as it has not yet been cooked. You can also cook it in the smoker to an internal temp of 155F but it will be even dryer and harder.

KEEPING
All of these hams must be kept in the fridge and treated like you would any cooked ham. They will keep for a few weeks... not months or years like "country cured" hams.

They can of course be frozen but that presents other problems. Freezing breaks down cell structure and thawing causes great loss of moisture. However, if you are going to fry it up with eggs, it won't make much difference. I like to take a finished ham and run the whole thing through the meat slicer and freeze in serving portions. They are the perfect size for Egg Von Schmidlings. In fact, when you make ham out of loin, it is commonly known as Canadian bacon.

It would seem you are refusing to do your research and read the many articles that use loins to make ham. You can keep showing pig pictures and claiming ham can't come from a loin but it doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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MAKING HAM AT HOME
Jack Schmidling Productions, Inc.

Ham is one of the easiest of preserved meats to make.
There are as many ways to make ham as there are people who make it but I will present what seems to me the easiest and most foolproof method to produce ham at home.


SYNOPSIS
Ham is made by soaking a piece of pork in a salt brine for a period of time depending on it's weight and then cooking and/or smoking it. Depending on the process, it can be ready to eat or cured for months and cooked as eaten or various combinations in between. The process I will describe is commonly known as "boiled ham" in spite of the fact that it is never boiled. I will also show a variation on the theme to produce a great smoked ham for folks with the equipment for smoking.

MEAT
Ham is made from pork and just about any piece of pork will produce what tastes more or less like ham.

Traditionally, ham is made from the upper portion of the hindlegs which weigh from 15 to 25 lbs. This is not easy to deal with in the kitchen and I have never made a whole ham for this reason.

I have found the most practical piece of meat for home made ham to be portions of the loin. This is the stuff of rolled roasts and if you can't find loin, just buy a rolled roast, untie it and use the two pieces to make two hams. I can get my butcher to cut it to any size I want and usually get a six lb piece and cut it in half to make two 3 lb hams.

The experts insist that the meat for ham must not have been frozen and I have no reason to try to prove them wrong. Freezing modifies the cell structure in such a way that it will not absorb the brine properly.

THE BRINE
The meat must be made to take up salt, spices and a cure to provide the characteristics we call ham. Many folks use a dry rubbing method but I find the liquid brine far simpler to deal with and that is what I will describe here.
In addition to the salt, sugar and spices, the brine contains what is known as a cure. Many old timers do not use this but I do not consider it an option, if for no other reason than the fact that gray ham is not very appetizing. The cure is what gives ham it's pleasing pink color in addition to protection from botulism and other pathogenic organisms.

If you


It would seem you are refusing to do your research and read the many articles that use loins to make ham. You can keep showing pig pictures and claiming ham can't come from a loin but it doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
MAKING HAM AT HOME
Jack Schmidling Productions, Inc.

Ham is one of the easiest of preserved meats to make.
There are as many ways to make ham as there are people who make it but I will present what seems to me the easiest and most foolproof method to produce ham at home.


SYNOPSIS
Ham is made by soaking a piece of pork in a salt brine for a period of time depending on it's weight and then cooking and/or smoking it. Depending on the process, it can be ready to eat or cured for months and cooked as eaten or various combinations in between. The process I will describe is commonly known as "boiled ham" in spite of the fact that it is never boiled. I will also show a variation on the theme to produce a great smoked ham for folks with the equipment for smoking.

MEAT
Ham is made from pork and just about any piece of pork will produce what tastes more or less like ham.

Traditionally, ham is made from the upper portion of the hindlegs which weigh from 15 to 25 lbs. This is not easy to deal with in the kitchen and I have never made a whole ham for this reason.

I have found the most practical piece of meat for home made ham to be portions of the loin. This is the stuff of rolled roasts and if you can't find loin, just buy a rolled roast, untie it and use the two pieces to make two hams. I can get my butcher to cut it to any size I want and usually get a six lb piece and cut it in half to make two 3 lb hams.

The experts insist that the meat for ham must not have been frozen and I have no reason to try to prove them wrong. Freezing modifies the cell structure in such a way that it will not absorb the brine properly.

THE BRINE
The meat must be made to take up salt, spices and a cure to provide the characteristics we call ham. Many folks use a dry rubbing method but I find the liquid brine far simpler to deal with and that is what I will describe here.
In addition to the salt, sugar and spices, the brine contains what is known as a cure. Many old timers do not use this but I do not consider it an option, if for no other reason than the fact that gray ham is not very appetizing. The cure is what gives ham it's pleasing pink color in addition to protection from botulism and other pathogenic organisms.

If you are new to cures, please read that section of my SAUSAGE PAGE

The brine is mixed in a plastic or stainless bucket large enough to hold the brine and meat. The following one gallon batch will do about 10 lbs of meat.

Brine Recipe
Water...................................1 gallon
Pickling Salt.......................1 cup
Sugar....................................1/4 cup
Prague #1 (Cure)...............1/3 cup
Pickling Spice.....................1 tsp
Cloves...................................1/2 tsp

The brine should be cooled to around 40F before the meat is placed in it. It should also be kept near that temperature during the brining period so that is another reason to make small hams.... you can find space in the fridge. Do not let it get below about 38F though because the cure ceases to function around there. Monitor the brine temp with a thermometer and just remove it for a while if it gets too cold.

The brining time is mainly a question of personal taste. The longer it stays in the brine, the saltier it gets. I find 4 days about right for a 3-5 lb piece of loin. You can speed things up by pumping brine into the meat with a syrenge but that is probably overkill for small pieces.

COOKING
For a garden variety "boiled ham", the meat is removed from the brine, rinsed off and placed in water at 170F. It is held there until the internal temperature reaches 155F on a meat thermometer. This will take about an hour for a 3 lb piece.

After cooking, the ham is chilled in cold water for about 30 minutes and then put in the fridge overnight. Next day you will think you just returned from the deli.

SMOKING
If you have a smoker, there are may options here. If you just want a little smokey flavor, you can smoke it either before or after cooking, for about 5 hours. Smoking before cooking will produce a moister, less salty ham.

If you want a ham more like "country cured", smoke it for 24 hrs @ 130F. Then slice a piece and fry it and you will think you died and went to heaven. Make sure it is fully cooked when you fry it as it has not yet been cooked. You can also cook it in the smoker to an internal temp of 155F but it will be even dryer and harder.

KEEPING
All of these hams must be kept in the fridge and treated like you would any cooked ham. They will keep for a few weeks... not months or years like "country cured" hams.

They can of course be frozen but that presents other problems. Freezing breaks down cell structure and thawing causes great loss of moisture. However, if you are going to fry it up with eggs, it won't make much difference. I like to take a finished ham and run the whole thing through the meat slicer and freeze in serving portions. They are the perfect size for Egg Von Schmidlings. In fact, when you make ham out of loin, it is commonly known as Canadian bacon.

It would seem you are refusing to do your research and read the many articles that use loins to make ham. You can keep showing pig pictures and claiming ham can't come from a loin but it doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
I keep showing pig pictures because you're unwilling to acknowledge that ham, like loin, and ribs are specific cuts. Preparing loin the same way you normally prepare a ham doesn't change that much the same way preparing loin in yhe same way you prepare ribs doesn't then turn loin into ribs.
 

Onetrickpony

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I keep showing pig pictures because you're unwilling to acknowledge that ham, like loin, and ribs are specific cuts. Preparing loin the same way you normally prepare a ham doesn't change that much the same way preparing loin in yhe same way you prepare ribs doesn't then turn loin into ribs.
Making ham has to do with the curing process. Generally ham is made from that part but it's not ham if it's not cured in the proper way.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Making ham has to do with the curing process. Generally ham is made from that part but it's not ham if it's not cured in the proper way.
From the Ham wikipedia page:
It was traditionally made only from the hind leg of swine, and referred to that specific cut of pork.[2]
From the cut of pork wikipedia page:
Legs/hams: although any cut of pork can be cured, technically speaking only the back leg is entitled to be called a ham.
We can do this for a month if you want to, but peameal bacon still isn't going to be ham.
 

La Paix

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Happy Thanksgiving weekend! We are hosting this year. Keeping it simple with a few family and friends coming over. I'll be serving up turkey, stuffing, cranberries, a few salads, sourdough and some rolls, gravy, cookies and more.