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[Gay For Longo]

Went and selected my setup today, let me know what think.

VEG:
I went with a 5x5x6 chamber tent for veg to help separate mom', clones and vegging plants
Clones have a small space in the top right corner and will have 2 t5 lighting them
Mom's have a 1x5x4 space right below the clones (should be enough for 4 moms
The mom' are being lit with 2 LED strip lights (step up from t5's) on top and 1 LED strip on one of the sides near the bottom
I will need to rotate the mom's each watering but that isn't a problem
The veg area is 4x4x6 it will have 4 plants starting veg after a week in the clone bed and 4 plants roughly 4 weeks into veg (including clone week)
It is being lit by a 300w CFL, I was going to add an LED strip on all 3 sides but the awesome guy i talked to said to hold off on them for now and see how it goes. He was saying the 250 would be enough but gave me the 300 at the same price
Got a charcoal filter to help with odor

Flower:
The flower tent is going to have 4 plants coming into flower and 4 plants roughly 4 weeks into flower
I went with a 5x5x6 tent and it is being lit with a 1000w HPS cooltube with a 1000w digital ballist with the feature to raise and lower the power. Ballist also has a built in surge protector so the light shouldn't blow if we have a power outage
Got a charcoal filter for this one too

He's throwing in the ducting, tape, fans for the ducting and small circulation fans for both tents

I had some extra cash and want to try and reduce odor so I got a 2x2x4 tent and a hanger for drying and curing that is going to have ducting leading into the veg tent

I grabbed a nice ph tester and he's throwing in the 4l of Dutch nutrients veg a&b and bloom a&b
Also throwing in some phdown and 1 other nutrient that helps with growing but can't rememer the name of it

Oh and a clone tray and cover and my pots and shit came to 2700

Picking it up Tuesday so I can still make changes

So what says you?
Anything youd change?


Edit: I should add that the 2700 is with tax and I paid for the tax so that I can write this off as a medical expense

 

[Papi Chingon]

Went and selected my setup today, let me know what think.

VEG:
I went with a 5x5x6 chamber tent for veg to help separate mom', clones and vegging plants
Clones have a small space in the top right corner and will have 2 t5 lighting them
Mom's have a 1x5x4 space right below the clones (should be enough for 4 moms
The mom' are being lit with 2 LED strip lights (step up from t5's) on top and 1 LED strip on one of the sides near the bottom
I will need to rotate the mom's each watering but that isn't a problem
The veg area is 4x4x6 it will have 4 plants starting veg after a week in the clone bed and 4 plants roughly 4 weeks into veg (including clone week)
It is being lit by a 300w CFL, I was going to add an LED strip on all 3 sides but the awesome guy i talked to said to hold off on them for now and see how it goes. He was saying the 250 would be enough but gave me the 300 at the same price
Got a charcoal filter to help with odor

Flower:
The flower tent is going to have 4 plants coming into flower and 4 plants roughly 4 weeks into flower
I went with a 5x5x6 tent and it is being lit with a 1000w HPS cooltube with a 1000w digital ballist with the feature to raise and lower the power. Ballist also has a built in surge protector so the light shouldn't blow if we have a power outage
Got a charcoal filter for this one too

He's throwing in the ducting, tape, fans for the ducting and small circulation fans for both tents

I had some extra cash and want to try and reduce odor so I got a 2x2x4 tent and a hanger for drying and curing that is going to have ducting leading into the veg tent

I grabbed a nice ph tester and he's throwing in the 4l of Dutch nutrients veg a&b and bloom a&b
Also throwing in some phdown and 1 other nutrient that helps with growing but can't rememer the name of it

Oh and a clone tray and cover and my pots and shit came to 2700

Picking it up Tuesday so I can still make changes

So what says you?
Anything youd change?


Edit: I should add that the 2700 is with tax and I paid for the tax so that I can write this off as a medical expense

I am having a difficult time picturing the veg tent setup, but 2 t5's for clones doesn't seem necessary. If you get a 4' t5 with 6 or 8 bulb setup, you're golden. I know nothing about light strips, but the same type of t5 for mothers would be just fine.

I would personally go with a flowering tent no shorter than 8 feet. The hood will take up a significant portion of soace, then you need the clearance between it and the plants. Plenty of varieties stretch 2-3 times their height once flowering is triggered. You may want to add a yoyo system to the light as well since it is so much easier for adjusting height. Also I would personally go with a bigger hood/reflector like the the magnum xxxl 3rd gen.

Is the ph tester a pen with ppm and ec as well? If not, get the combo instead, or at least another pen with ppm and ec.

Are you going to be using tap water or an RO system for water?

Keep some baking soda around in case you add too much ph down and need to bring the ph up. Keep in mind a little goes a long way.

 

[BJTT_Pella]

How are you going to cool the 1000 watt? What voltage are you running the ballast at?

 

[Papi Chingon]

How are you going to cool the 1000 watt? What voltage are you running the ballast at?

He didn't specify the brand of inline fan but he did say "
He's throwing in the ducting, tape, fans for the ducting and small circulation fans for both tents"

 

[Gay For Longo]

I am having a difficult time picturing the veg tent setup, but 2 t5's for clones doesn't seem necessary. If you get a 4" t5 with 6 or 8 bulb setup, you're golden. I know nothing about light strips, but the same type of t5 for mothers would be just fine.

I would personally go with a flowering tent no shorter than 8 feet. The hood will take up a significant portion of soace, then you need the clearance between it and the plants. Plenty of varieties stretch 2-3 times their height once flowering is triggered. You may want to add a yoyo system to the light as well since it is so much easier for adjusting height. Also I would personally go with a bigger hood/reflector like the the magnum xxxl 3rd gen.

Is the ph tester a pen with ppm and ec as well? If not, get the combo instead, or at least another pen with ppm and ec.

Are you going to be using tap water or an RO system for water?

Keep some baking soda around in case you add too much ph down and need to bring the ph up. Keep in mind a little goes a long way.

The stripes are conversions for t5, pop the t5 out and put the led in
Saves on electricity and produces more light

Problem is I only have 8 feet downstairs and the biggest the tent comes is 6'6
I put 6 but it is 6'6
Thanks for mentioning the yoyo system, that is included, he's throwing them in forgot to mention it
I'll see if I can find a picture and show you the reflector and I'll check out the one you recommend

Yes it is the combo pen, it's the most expensive he carries, it was 110bux

He told me I should be fine with the tap water here and adding the nutrients. Said the ph here is a little high so I will need to test it and add phdown as needed
Think I should put out the cash for the RO?
Will do

Thanks man, appreciate it

 

[Gay For Longo]

I should add the guy has had the store for 20+ years in town and has been gardening here for 35 years
He did say to for at least the 1st grow indoors to try and stick with the cannabis encyclopedia guide

 

[Gay For Longo]

I am having a difficult time picturing the veg tent setup, but 2 t5's for clones doesn't seem necessary. If you get a 4' t5 with 6 or 8 bulb setup, you're golden. I know nothing about light strips, but the same type of t5 for mothers would be just fine.

I would personally go with a flowering tent no shorter than 8 feet. The hood will take up a significant portion of soace, then you need the clearance between it and the plants. Plenty of varieties stretch 2-3 times their height once flowering is triggered. You may want to add a yoyo system to the light as well since it is so much easier for adjusting height. Also I would personally go with a bigger hood/reflector like the the magnum xxxl 3rd gen.

Is the ph tester a pen with ppm and ec as well? If not, get the combo instead, or at least another pen with ppm and ec.

Are you going to be using tap water or an RO system for water?

Keep some baking soda around in case you add too much ph down and need to bring the ph up. Keep in mind a little goes a long way.

Do you think the t5 that were going to go in the clones would be better served in the flower room near the bottom on 2 sides?

 

[BJTT_Pella]

He didn't specify the brand of inline fan but he did say "
He's throwing in the ducting, tape, fans for the ducting and small circulation fans for both tents"

I like what your doing and don't want to discourage you, I'm not talking shit at all. This sounds like a walk down memory lane. Almost identical. You will probably have problems cooling your flower tent. The inline fan will help draw heat off the bulb but it won't cool the tent. Nor will your intake fan. Your charcoal filter will likely be inline with your bulb and exhaust (inline) fan. A stand alone AC that is portable is the easiest solution but creates issues in itself.

I found that it wasn't long until I outgrew the tent and it just wasn't going to work for me. I hope you can make it work for you.


Edit. What's the climate like where you live? I think your in Canada?

 

[Gay For Longo]

How are you going to cool the 1000 watt? What voltage are you running the ballast at?

It's a cooltube so the ducting runs through it and gets sucked up by the inline fan
He had one setup at the shop and I could put my hand on the tube and it was kinda warm, it was running at 600
I'm going to start it at 800 and go from there
Obviously there is going to be a lot of dialing things in, this is my first indoor grow

 

[Papi Chingon]

The stripes are conversions for t5, pop the t5 out and put the led in
Saves on electricity and produces more light

Problem is I only have 8 feet downstairs and the biggest the tent comes is 6'6
I put 6 but it is 6'6
Thanks for mentioning the yoyo system, that is included, he's throwing them in forgot to mention it
I'll see if I can find a picture and show you the reflector and I'll check out the one you recommend

Yes it is the combo pen, it's the most expensive he carries, it was 110bux

He told me I should be fine with the tap water here and adding the nutrients. Said the ph here is a little high so I will need to test it and add phdown as needed
Think I should put out the cash for the RO?
Will do

Thanks man, appreciate it

When using tap water, there will already be a baseline ppm. Depending upon that baseline in the tap, nutrients will be backed off. My ppm is very high where I live, so prior to getting an RO system, my nutrients were only used at 50%. Once I got my RO system, nutrients could be used optimally. Do you need RO? No. Does RO improve the final product? Yes. Since you are already spending almost $3k, it isn't something you have to have for niw, but I would imagine you will end up getting one in the future, if this is something you get really into.

As far as height goes, you will need to watch when you clone. Clone too soon and veg too long and you could have a disaster on your hands. Pinching and lst will be a must. SCROG will help height and optimize yield but it is a real pain in the ass.

 

[Gay For Longo]

I like what your doing and don't want to discourage you, I'm not talking shit at all. This sounds like a walk down memory lane. Almost identical. You will probably have problems cooling your flower tent. The inline fan will help draw heat off the bulb but it won't cool the tent. Nor will your intake fan. Your charcoal filter will likely be inline with your bulb and exhaust (inline) fan. A stand alone AC that is portable is the easiest solution but creates issues in itself.

I found that it wasn't long until I outgrew the tent and it just wasn't going to work for me. I hope you can make it work for you.


Edit. What's the climate like where you live? I think your in Canada?

Ya I'm in Canada
Even in the hottest of summer the basement is mild
I already do have a portable a.c. and a portable dehumidifier that my parents gave me like a year ago and have just been sitting in the basement
But Ya, worst case that is what I was planning

And no, please any tips or opinions are welcome, I won't get offended

I'd love to be able to expanded and use the whole 1000sq feet downstairs but health Canada won't let me lol

 

[BJTT_Pella]

It's a cooltube so the ducting runs through it and gets sucked up by the inline fan
He had one setup at the shop and I could put my hand on the tube and it was kinda warm, it was running at 600
I'm going to start it at 800 and go from there
Obviously there is going to be a lot of dialing things in, this is my first indoor grow

I'm familiar with the set up. My first tent was in 2005, which is pre digital ballast but even keeping that out of the tent, it will be more difficult to cool. I remember thinking the same thing. It lead too a $500 portable AC. I found that the smaller the environment, the more difficult it is to control. Controlling the indoor environment is a difficult thing to do. Lol Ive always wanted to grow outdoor but all my experience is indoors. Lots of trial and error with some help from Jorge Cerventes, like a lot of people.

 

[Papi Chingon]

I like what your doing and don't want to discourage you, I'm not talking shit at all. This sounds like a walk down memory lane. Almost identical. You will probably have problems cooling your flower tent. The inline fan will help draw heat off the bulb but it won't cool the tent. Nor will your intake fan. Your charcoal filter will likely be inline with your bulb and exhaust (inline) fan. A stand alone AC that is portable is the easiest solution but creates issues in itself.

I found that it wasn't long until I outgrew the tent and it just wasn't going to work for me. I hope you can make it work for you.


Edit. What's the climate like where you live? I think your in Canada?

I agree that he will outgrow the tents, but temperature can be controlled by simply unzipping the door during times when the light is on.

 

[Gay For Longo]

When using tap water, there will already be a baseline ppm. Depending upon that baseline in the tap, nutrients will be backed off. My ppm is very high where I live, so prior to getting an RO system, my nutrients were only used at 50%. Once I got my RO system, nutrients could be used optimally. Do you need RO? No. Does RO improve the final product? Yes. Since you are already spending almost $3k, it isn't something you have to have for niw, but I would imagine you will end up getting one in the future, if this is something you get really into.

As far as height goes, you will need to watch when you clone. Clone too soon and veg too long and you could have a disaster on your hands. Pinching and lst will be a must. SCROG will help height and optimize yield but it is a real pain in the ass.

I'll look into the ro system really no clue how much they are but I'm 300bux under my budget so I can still add a couple minor things

Height is definitely going to be a worry, Espcially when I get a sativa into the mix

 

[BJTT_Pella]

I agree that he will outgrow the tents, but temperature can be controlled by simply unzipping the door during times when the light is on.

Yes it CAN be. That creates another problem. Having to babysit it. Automating thing is the way. Your spot on with the Nutes. The environment that the tent provides is difficult for an experienced grower to consistently get right. He's a new grower trying to get the Nutes/room setup right. I'm not saying it cannot be done it just can easily become more work than it is worth. Which leads to bigger things. The cost per month alone of running that stand anone AC with a 1000w (hopefully at 220) can get expensive. Factor in time and effort. Always having to be there to crack the tent. Oh man my anxiety is going up just remembering lol. I am talking about peraonal experience and the mistakes I made along the way. I also. Havent grown anything but my beard for the last 2 years.

 

[Papi Chingon]

Cut off another head today.

 

[Gay For Longo]

I'm familiar with the set up. My first tent was in 2005, which is pre digital ballast but even keeping that out of the tent, it will be more difficult to cool. I remember thinking the same thing. It lead too a $500 portable AC. I found that the smaller the environment, the more difficult it is to control. Controlling the indoor environment is a difficult thing to do. Lol Ive always wanted to grow outdoor but all my experience is indoors. Lots of trial and error with some help from Jorge Cerventes, like a lot of people.

I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the heat, I was told to do the 12hours lights on at night when it gets colder and 12 off during the day
That should help to no?

 

[Papi Chingon]

Yes it CAN be. That creates another problem. Having to babysit it. Automating thing is the way. Your spot on with the Nutes. The environment that the tent provides is difficult for an experienced grower to consistently get right. He's a new grower trying to get the Nutes/room setup right. I'm not saying it cannot be done it just can easily become more work than it is worth. Which leads to bigger things. The cost per month alone of running that stand anone AC with a 1000w (hopefully at 220) can get expensive. Factor in time and effort. Always having to be there to crack the tent. Oh man my anxiety is going up just remembering lol. I am talking about peraonal experience and the mistakes I made along the way. I also. Havent grown anything but my beard for the last 2 years.

I never grew in a tent, but have had friends that did. When I grew indoor, which I don't anymore, I had a bedroom I used. I put panda film over the window, then cut a hole in the ceiling for exhaust. Since it is fairly warm here I wouldn't grow indoor at all during summer, and the rest of the year I had my lights on at night which helped control temperature. Nothing except the lights was automwted.

 

[Papi Chingon]

I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the heat, I was told to do the 12hours lights on at night when it gets colder and 12 off during the day
That should help to no?

Yes, it helps a lot.

 

[Gay For Longo]

Yes it CAN be. That creates another problem. Having to babysit it. Automating thing is the way. Your spot on with the Nutes. The environment that the tent provides is difficult for an experienced grower to consistently get right. He's a new grower trying to get the Nutes/room setup right. I'm not saying it cannot be done it just can easily become more work than it is worth. Which leads to bigger things. The cost per month alone of running that stand anone AC with a 1000w (hopefully at 220) can get

Yes, it helps a lot.

Ok good
Thanks again guys

 

[Gay For Longo]

Ok good
Thanks again guys

We also get a break on electricity at night so that' going to help pricing too

 

[Papi Chingon]

I was starting to gET cold sweats thinking about all my plants coming down at once, so I decided to start a tahoe og x stardawg a while back. This didn't get much time to veg before I replanted it and triggered flowering October 1st. Tahoe is my favorite strain, btw, so this should be an amazing cross.

 

[Papi Chingon]

We also get a break on electricity at night so that' going to help pricing too

Since height is an issue, you could also just buy panda film and make your own grow rooms out of your workable space. Take 2x1's and screw them to the ceiling in whatever room measurements you want, then take a staple gun and staple the panda film to the wood. On the inside just have a waterproof rare for a liner, then mouth lights where you want. Get velcro strips for the "door" in the panda film, then cut your vent holes, and you're set.

 

[Gay For Longo]

Since height is an issue, you could also just buy panda film and make your own grow rooms out of your workable space. Take 2x1's and screw them to the ceiling in whatever room measurements you want, then take a staple gun and staple the panda film to the wood. On the inside just have a waterproof rare for a liner, then mouth lights where you want. Get velcro strips for the "door" in the panda film, then cut your vent holes, and you're set.

Would love to but it's not possible, wife is set against it, at least for now
Once I get up to 40 plants I think she'll have to understand
1st year I'm keeping to 20 plants though

Instead of building 2 rooms I should be able to do 16 vegging in the tents and then have the room made for flowering only and then the money for the tents wasn't a waste

Should work?

 

[Papi Chingon]

Would love to but it's not possible, wife is set against it, at least for now
Once I get up to 40 plants I think she'll have to understand
1st year I'm keeping to 20 plants though

Instead of building 2 rooms I should be able to do 16 vegging in the tents and then have the room made for flowering only and then the money for the tents wasn't a waste

Should work?

None of it will be a waste if this I long-term. I am just giving suggestions that would save you from reworking/redesigning in the future, since you will eventually upgrade anyway (unless you decide after a few grows that it isn't worth the time/effort/hassle/stress).